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Dan_Cottle


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Challenge: Multiple Light Sources II (Basic Editing)
Camera: Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT
Lens: Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6
Location: bedroom
Date: Mar 20, 2007
Aperture: f7.1
ISO: 200
Shutter: 1/4
Galleries: Action
Date Uploaded: Mar 20, 2007

I think this might actually do well.
I used the strobe light function of my flash.

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Place: 1 out of 159
Avg (all users): 7.1435
Avg (commenters): 7.8148
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Votes: 209
Comments: 83
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05/16/2007 09:45:44 AM
Just vote as if it is legal and leave your "assumptions" out of the comments.

Originally posted by hahn23:

I don't know how you did it. But, assuming it's some legal technique, it's really elegant and artistically presented. (10)
04/03/2007 12:04:01 PM
Voters screwed over by a technicality once again.
04/01/2007 02:24:49 PM
Just amazing! Congratulations!
04/01/2007 12:36:48 PM
All I know is if I can fool the voters to win a ribbon, i'd do it in a flash :P

Originally posted by kenskid:

I remember there was a 2-second exposure challenge last year. The challenge was to take an exposure of 'exactly 2 seconds'. One of the top three was on a 1/2 or 1/8 second shot if I recall. The shutter speed was listed it the specs of the pic.

I complained that I tried for days to come up with a good 2 second shot but could not get it right and did not enter. IMO the 2 second shot was difficult.

I complained about it in a forum and go many many emails telling me to lighten up because it was a great shot and that DNMC is ok, even if it wins.

You should expect some of the same replies!

Originally posted by CEJ:

Originally posted by Emenresu:

If you don't think it meets the challenge then oh well.


Oh well...very disappointed. Not in the shot - I like it and think it is a very well executed idea and very well presented. However, the challenge was clear that more than one source of light was to be used. I don't care how many times you flash it or strobe it, if it is the same light source, then it was NOT multiple. Especially if that light source was stationary.

I realize you got the blue for this but I am sorry, I feel it was not well deserved and you 'deceived' the voting public with the submission. A good shot is a good shot. But even the best shot is not worthy of the blue if it did not meet the intent of the competition.

Lighting is the most important element in photography. Make the obvious use of multiple light sources a key factor in your composition this week.
03/30/2007 11:19:25 PM
Nice shot.

Message edited by author 2007-05-16 09:46:39.
03/30/2007 11:08:38 PM
Originally posted by Emenresu:

If you don't think it meets the challenge then oh well.


Oh well...

Message edited by author 2007-03-31 16:08:35.
03/30/2007 11:07:01 PM
bust post due to duplication

Message edited by author 2007-03-30 23:10:35.
03/30/2007 04:55:10 PM
Hi Dan,
long overdue ribbon in my opinion.. well done mate!
03/30/2007 03:09:03 PM
I took less than 50 shots for this. I did crop it for balance like you thought, not alot though.
03/30/2007 02:17:57 AM
Dan,
The almost perfect non-intersecting and balanced paths of the pencils are truly amazing! The more I look at it the more I think how well executed it is...and more questions come to my mind to learn how to do this. I hope reading them does not bother you too much :-)

Given the technique you used it seems like it could take hundreds or thousands of shots to get one like this. It would be great if you could tell us how many shots, approx, did you take? Is this a cropped composition? If yes, did you crop to balance? or the black bg felt short?. Thanks for your time and patience.

03/29/2007 09:28:23 PM
Hmm I geuss it was 25(or more) flashes not 20, i thought it was 20(my flash might be inaccurate or maybe its just me). The exposure was 1/4th of a second total, the flashes were milliseconds apart. The blue pencil just happened to be in the frame for all 25 flashes, the others were not.
Yes there was one light, however it flashes more than one time so i personally thought that it counted as multiple. If you don't think it meets the challenge then oh well.

Message edited by author 2007-03-29 21:29:40.
03/29/2007 05:12:49 PM
I mean it is a phenominal photo, but how does it fit the challenge exactly?
03/29/2007 05:11:05 PM
I was just wondering where the "Multiple Light Sources" are, could you explain? Thanks.
03/29/2007 03:48:51 PM
Nice picture and colors, great idea!
Wonder who voted '1' :S

Message edited by author 2007-03-29 15:50:21.
03/29/2007 03:42:16 PM
Am I seeing correctly? Why does the blue have 25 images and the others only 18?
03/29/2007 12:57:42 PM
Nice shot, congratulations. I will definately give it a try.

Is Shutter Speed mistyped? 20 flashes at 1/5th of a second - so the shutter should be open for 4 min, right?
03/29/2007 10:59:58 AM
Nice.. how was this done?
Each pencil thrown(?) individualy?
03/29/2007 08:01:42 AM
Very nice picture !
It is a very good use of the stroboscopic flash !
I would never think about this !
There was however at least 26 flashes and not 20, as the blue pencil tells us ;)

I suppose that this comes from your shutter at 1/4th it gives 25 flashes at 100 hertz that's why.

Congratulations !

03/29/2007 01:17:25 AM
Congratulations!!! Well done! Your first blue ribbon, but most certainly not your last!
03/28/2007 11:02:55 PM
Originally posted by Emenresu:

To explain further, I threw the 3 penicls in the air at the same time and there was a single set of 20 flashes.


So there was only 1 (one) light source?

Message edited by author 2007-03-30 22:14:23.
03/28/2007 05:53:03 PM
Congratulations Dan!
What I said in my previous comment was not aimed to diminish the high merit and perfect execution of the photo. Thanks for sharing the technic you used. I will not try it at home 'cause I doubt I will be able to throw the pencils at the same time without sticking them in the ceiling :-).

Message edited by author 2007-03-28 17:54:43.
03/28/2007 05:24:01 PM
Very cool shot, love the colours, congrats!
03/28/2007 04:26:11 PM
haha told u it was genius haha congrats on the blue man lol its about time!!!!!
03/28/2007 04:02:38 PM
clever, clever, now to practice my stobe some more, very cool image.
03/28/2007 03:00:00 PM
To explain further, I threw the 3 penicls in the air at the same time and there was a single set of 20 flashes. My hands were never in the frame, and the editing was just levels and shadows/highlighs, nothing interesting really.
I accidentily put it in the nude gallery. And im trying to get it changed.
03/28/2007 02:39:57 PM
Nice...but can you post how you did this? I don't care if it is multiple light sources or not. I'd really like to know how I can use my flash (which is strobe capable) to do this!

03/28/2007 02:37:29 PM
It is hidden b/c for some reason he put it in the nude gallery!

Originally posted by MAKamyk:

Why was this hidden for mature content???
03/28/2007 11:55:53 AM
Congratulations on your first ribbon, this is a beautiful image good job.
03/28/2007 11:52:33 AM
EXCELLENT control ... grats !
03/28/2007 10:48:05 AM
Very neat shot!! would love to see some more editing steps :)
03/28/2007 10:02:48 AM
Woo hooo. . . a first ribbon! And so deserving! This is just flat out amazing! MEGA CONGRATULATIONS!

03/28/2007 09:59:59 AM
I don't mean to be a pest here, I know you've already given an explanation about the way you did this, still, it is not clear to me the way the pencils were held with your hands. Were you wearing black gloves? how did you manage to conceal your hand and forearm from the shot? were you all naked and painted pitch black? is that why you chose to place your picture in the nude gallery? :-) . Also, I take it there were 3 bursts of 20 flashes each, I assume you had the shutter open throughout by pressing with your left hand, while you maneuvered the pencils with your other hand, how did you manage to produce the 3 separate bursts? did you have a helper do that? I hope you will take the time to answer. Please know that I am not questioning the legality of your picture, I just want to learn stuff. Thank you.
03/28/2007 07:15:55 AM
Very nice shot! Congrats on the ribbon!
03/28/2007 04:50:26 AM
Really nice looking shot. Congrats on your first Ribbon.
03/28/2007 04:32:03 AM
Really nice!

I might try this as I have a couple of old flashes that will strobe!
03/28/2007 03:55:07 AM
interesting that this ended up in the nude gallery?

Nicely done. Which flash did you use?
03/28/2007 02:55:19 AM
Congrats on your first ribbon, well deserved!
03/28/2007 01:48:53 AM
Congrats on your personal best and first ribbon!
03/28/2007 01:44:39 AM
congrat's for the great shot and the very good idea.You must be very happy now with your first ribbon.Take care and good luck in the future
03/28/2007 01:09:00 AM
Originally posted by nutzito:

Sure It is a GREAT photo, btw one of the 10's is mine. In my comment I assumed this had been made with multiple strobes, but it is kind of disapointing to find out this is NOT a multiple light source shot, since the light is coming from one strobe. I am quite new at this, so the moral I learn is you do not have to comply with the topic to win a ribbon, because once you get it, the SC is only going to judge compliance with the editing rules...interesting.


while there has been a lot of discussion about this, you can not be DQ'd for not meeting the challenge DETAILS just the rules. There have been certain challenges where you MUST meet the details or be DQ'd but they are few and far between.

(I know you didn't mention DQ'ing the image but basically the same thing)
03/28/2007 12:57:24 AM
Sure It is a GREAT photo, btw one of the 10's is mine. In my comment I assumed this had been made with multiple strobes, but it is kind of disapointing to find out this is NOT a multiple light source shot, since the light is coming from one strobe. I am quite new at this, so the moral I learn is you do not have to comply with the topic to win a ribbon, because once you get it, the SC is only going to judge compliance with the editing rules...interesting.

03/28/2007 12:33:30 AM
Great photo. Congrats on the blue.
03/28/2007 12:31:47 AM
haha, hidden due to content. I guess spinning pencils is equivalent to a nude women? haha, great photo by the way and congrats on the blue! Its well deserved.
03/28/2007 12:30:38 AM
Why was this hidden for mature content???
03/28/2007 12:27:52 AM
Congrats on first place but I wonder why the photo is hidden due to content? Great job with this photo
03/28/2007 12:20:08 AM
Is one strobe repeating actually considered "multiple light sources"?

Interesting.

One light source being strobed is technically multiple light.

However, it is still only one source.

Interesting interpretation here for sure.
03/28/2007 12:13:45 AM
Originally posted by senor_kasper:

Congratulations on your blue ribbon. Great picture. I hope you will tell us how exactly you setup this pic. Beyond the use of the strobe function; what did you use to spin the pencils? how? Thank you.


Do tell - and CONGRATS!

... edit- why is this hidden due to content?

Message edited by author 2007-03-28 00:14:50.
03/28/2007 12:13:15 AM
This shot was quite simple.
I set my flash to 20 flashes at 100 hertz which equates to 1/5th of a second. Set up a black background about 20 feet away. I spun the pencils in the air with my right hand and set off the shutter with my left.
03/28/2007 12:09:24 AM
Very nice! congrats on your first ribbon!
03/28/2007 12:05:38 AM
Congratulations on your blue ribbon. Great picture. I hope you will tell us how exactly you setup this pic. Beyond the use of the strobe function; what did you use to spin the pencils? how? Thank you.
 Comments Made During the Challenge
03/27/2007 11:42:11 PM
Very nice patterns/curves.
03/27/2007 07:52:12 PM
Very cool effect.
03/26/2007 11:46:14 PM
Oh how cool!
03/26/2007 04:20:12 PM
Cool shot!
03/26/2007 11:05:05 AM
Multiple flash thingie, I guess. Wonder how you did this. I like the colors and composition. I'm guessing many takes to get this one.
Very nice.
03/26/2007 07:51:20 AM
Really fabulous. Can't wait to see your technique here. This one I gave a 10 to because the light is wonderful, and your ability with doing this in basic editing is absolutely beyond what most people can do here. Great image.
03/25/2007 06:55:42 PM
i realy like your picture. i cant tell, but if you used diferent colored lights i realy like how you did it.
03/25/2007 06:02:25 AM
Damn! Why didn't I think of that? I have a flash with strobe function and never found a use for it. Second 10 out of 152 votes so far.
03/25/2007 03:18:43 AM
Interesting
03/25/2007 01:27:26 AM
Gorgeous sense of motion.
03/24/2007 07:41:40 PM
Impressive image!
03/24/2007 01:26:29 PM
This will be a ribbon... realy well done.. how did you do this.. I just dont know but its great...10
03/24/2007 10:07:46 AM
I would love to know how this was done - very striking!
03/23/2007 11:31:02 PM
Really cool, colors are vibrant.
03/23/2007 10:55:40 PM
dude thats pretty awesome mega props
03/23/2007 11:01:24 AM
As much as I like this shot, I'm not sure it fits the challenge, multiple light sources, it looks to me like a single light source, multiple times, a strobe light, I'm giving it a 5, the frame, timing, rocus, exposure is all really good, good luck.
03/23/2007 06:07:06 AM
Nice well controlled movement
03/23/2007 02:33:29 AM
Wow! Stared at it for a couple of minutes trying to figure out which direction each one moved, and how. My favorite colored pencil shot ever! 10
03/22/2007 05:12:51 PM
I don't know how you did it. But, assuming it's some legal technique, it's really elegant and artistically presented. (10)
03/22/2007 04:27:05 PM
Beautiful shot and RGB composition!!..one of the top 3 in this challenge..I am picking it as a fav.
Can´t wait to read how you did it. I am not sure how you made it with multiple strobes. IMO the crop does not have a perfect balance but I assume it is due to complexity of framing this kind of shot...so I'll still give you a 10.
03/22/2007 02:01:44 PM
Nice colors and clarity. I think the twisting in the blue urned out the best because of the bright spots, but it just didn't work out that well for the other colors.
03/22/2007 02:14:18 AM
Interesting! RPT flash Right?
03/22/2007 01:35:52 AM
One of my selections for a ribbon so I hope you do well.....
A "9" from me.....
03/21/2007 07:52:56 PM
Very cool.
03/21/2007 03:31:59 PM
how did you do this? very well done!
03/21/2007 01:47:22 PM
Cool photo, did you use flashes as your cycling light source, or some kind of strobe light? Very original, I like it.
03/21/2007 01:36:44 PM
Cool!
03/21/2007 11:44:01 AM
very cool
03/21/2007 11:05:50 AM
thats really cool
03/21/2007 07:29:55 AM
Great shot, i've been looking at it for ages tring to work out how it's been done. I would love to see a setup for this.
03/21/2007 01:10:41 AM
Cool effect! As a newbie, I would love to know how you do this.
03/21/2007 12:55:23 AM
soooo cool! how did you do this w/out multiple exposure?
03/21/2007 12:07:50 AM
Oh that is cool. I would like to know how you did that.


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