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03/28/2005 06:55:12 PM · #1 |
Please, first of all, I'm not trying to bring up any sort of debate here, neither am I trying to make a point.
Maybe some of you have already watched it. I haven't, since today (just got it on my e-mail).
It's about 9/11. Really worth taking a look.
Pentagon Strike
It doesn't look like rubbish. Just thought I could share it with you people.
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03/28/2005 07:04:07 PM · #2 |
| whatever..... you can bend facts and accounts to get whatever result that you want. Maybe it was a UFO? |
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03/28/2005 07:09:47 PM · #3 |
That̢۪s been posted on here before and although seems like it brings legitimate questions, overall most of it can't be verified and so it tends to fall into the category of a weak conspiracy theory.
I suggest instead if your interested, to find "The Truth and Lies of 911" by Mike Ruppert. Its a lecture over 2 hours long that uses factual documentation and declassified government documents to make its case. I have a video version of this but I̢۪m pretty sure with some looking you could find a text copy or maybe even the video if your lucky..
I would also suggest researching into Noam Chomsky. You can find alot of information on 911 on his site, video, audio and text.
Good luck, the rabbit hole goes deep.
Message edited by author 2005-03-28 19:11:24. |
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03/28/2005 07:16:48 PM · #4 |
Dunno how to make links but here is another site and I watched this video also
overall i find this all absurd
//www.911inplanesite.com/ |
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03/28/2005 07:38:40 PM · #5 |
I think I figured it out. That site, and the clip are advance hype for a new suspense-action-thriller movie coming out this summer.
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03/28/2005 10:01:18 PM · #6 |
Remember when bugs bunny would run into a wall and there would be a perfect outline of his body, including his ears? That only happens in cartoons.
Also, jet fuel burns really hot, while aluminum (what a 757 is made mostly of) melts at a fairly low temperature of around 1200. Thus you wouldn't find much of the fuselage since the fire burned hot enough to melt the steel support tubes.
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03/28/2005 11:17:26 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by louddog:
Also, jet fuel burns really hot, while aluminum (what a 757 is made mostly of) melts at a fairly low temperature of around 1200. Thus you wouldn't find much of the fuselage since the fire burned hot enough to melt the steel support tubes. |
As I said before, I'm not trying to make a point here!
Well...I have just watched a documentary called "911 in plane site".
If aluminum melts at around 1200, why wouldn't a book, or a monitor melt, or incinerate as well?
An airplane hitting a building wouldn't make an "outlined" hole of it on the wall, but it wouldn't make that minimal damage to the building.
How's that second floor still standing there, with no damage at all, besides the anti-fire foam?
Well, I'm not jumping into conclusions here, but the whole thing is deeper than it looks.
There's a whole bunch of things u can see at the "911 in plane site" documentary. If it's made up or not? I'm not sure, but it's intriguing!
U can download a free version (realmovie) from the net:
911 In plane site documentary - download, only 17mb
Don't throw rocks at me, don't call me a terrorist's friend, or even Bin Laden's right hand. It's just cz I found it rather interesting, and wanted to discuss it a bit with somebody closer to the happenings. Americans! And the internet does put me closer to you guys (american marjority in DPC).
Just some thoughts......
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03/29/2005 12:52:05 AM · #8 |
I'm not going to call you a friend of the terrorists, but I am going to tell you to THINK! I did a quick google search for sites that talk about the "inconsistencies" about the crash. Here's one of the sites that I visited that talks about the conspiracy directly (//www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html). I'll mention this fact: The hole in the Pentagon is bigger than it looks.
Furthermore, eyewitness accounts are unreliable. Not only that, but if you look at the way the quotes are edited in the movie, they are very vague; for instance: "I heard what sounded like a missile." and "I heard a Whoosh Whoosh." The "Whoosh whoosh" could have been hot air--from the witness.
One would think the Washington Post quote would add real credibility to the film. It would, but that quote was taken out of context. The plane hit right at groud level, so it could very well have looked like it was going to land. The same quote cites 8-12 people in the plane. How the heck does one count a plane moving at a speed like that? The stall speed of a Learjet, say, (which is that size of a plane) is 49 knots (56 mph). That's the STALL speed--as in, it has to move that quickly to generate enough lift to keep it in the air. A plane going from a cruise to a dive is DEFINITELY traveling much faster than its stall speed. Factor in the size of a Learjet window and I say bullshit to the third power.
The plane was caught crashing into the Pentagon on camera, for God's sake! That's how they found the actual time of the crash. The report came at 9:43, but after checking the security camera in the parking lot of the Pentagon, investigators saw the time stamp of the footage read 9:37 (//www.warbirdforum.com/testimon.htm).
The quote about Steve Patterson hearing a small jet fly past the window of his Pentagon city apartment? Well, pentagon city is near the Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport. He could definitely have heard a plane. He probably hears them all the time!
What is this nonsense about "no debris?" First, a member of a digital photography site should KNOW that post processing can be done to eliminate debris. Even if they (the makers of the movie) didn't edit the shots themselves, they still could choose which pictures to use--like ones that have only small amounts of vague clutter that "must be from the building, right?"
Also, I did some research on the "news site" that put it out. I very quickly saw articles like "Aliens Don't Like to Eat People That Smoke!" and a book advertised titled "Discover the Secret History of the World - and how to get out alive!"
What is this Quantum Future group that is cited for one of the first quotes? I looked it up. I found its homepage: it "is the website devoted to the work of Professor Jadczyk." It says so on the site's home page. Who is professor Jadczyk? Knight-Jadczyk, 52, a Florida native, has been a psychic and a channeler. She is now involved in experiments in what she calls "superluminal communication," which she described as involving "time loops" that would enable people to communicate with their former selves (//www.wanttoknow.info/911storybreaks).
This setting off any warning bells yet?
I got tired of refuting this movie, but I figure that I've made my point clear--regardless of whether or not you (or anyone else who believes this movie) listens to it, scuds.
Message edited by author 2005-04-20 22:14:23. |
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03/29/2005 12:52:28 AM · #9 |
By the way, did you do any of your own resarch about the movie?
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03/29/2005 07:38:47 AM · #10 |
What about the folks on the jet that were talking to people on their cell phones before it hit the Pentagon. One was a diplomats wife, Barbara Olson, she talked to her husband the whole time (hijack to death).
I remember a jet slamming into the ground in Colorado Springs due to wind shear. Nothing was left of that plane but a hole in the ground and small pieces. The Pentagon had just been reinforced a year or so prior to the attack, thus like hitting the ground. The only reason there wasn't more folks lost was because of this reinforcement. This helped most of the folks in the upper two floors, above the hit, survive the attack.
So this is someone's propaganda and should be looked at carefully or with a slight grin.
Message edited by author 2005-03-29 08:29:46.
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03/29/2005 09:08:05 AM · #11 |
As for the temp of the fire, the fire melted steel poles in the pentagon designed to hold up the floors about 30 minutes after the crash. The fire in the world trade center melted the steel that held it together also. Since iron (the main element in steel) melts at about 1500 degrees the fires would easily, EASILY melt aluminum and make the fuselage disappear.
Read hear for a full in depth explanation:
//www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y
More here
//www.snopes2.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
A commercial airplane is basically a flying aluminum can. When it hits a re-enforced concrete wall at 350mph there will not be much left of it.
I've been to a crash site where a T-38 (airforce fighter/trainer) hit a mountain head on at a high rate of speed. Most of the wreckage is smaller then your keyboard, a few parts the size of a desk were still laying around but those were the engines, APU and landing gear.
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03/29/2005 11:59:21 AM · #12 |
It is not surprising that only small pieces were found. USAir Flight 427 crashed outside Pittsbugh and all they found were tiny little shards. United 93 was the same.
If it was not an AA plane, where did that flight go? It was hijacked and crashed...the film makes no attempt to explan that. or are all these people //www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html part of the conspiracy too?
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03/29/2005 12:10:26 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
It is not surprising that only small pieces were found. USAir Flight 427 crashed outside Pittsbugh and all they found were tiny little shards. United 93 was the same.
If it was not an AA plane, where did that flight go? It was hijacked and crashed...the film makes no attempt to explan that. or are all these people //www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html part of the conspiracy too? |
I guess they didn't actually crash and are all in on it too.. plus their families, and their whole existance. It's another part of the conspiracy circle. All they can do is lead you in a circle until you give up arguing with them |
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03/29/2005 12:12:09 PM · #14 |
and with regards to the missle comment... If a 747 headed in crash mode towards a building isn't a 'missle' than I don't know what is.
"it sounded like a missle" well i'm not sure how close hollywood comes to recreating the actual sound of a missle but aside from that I doubt any of these people have ever SEEN a missle let alone know so matter-of-factly as to what one sounds like ripping through the air past their sorry little apartments.
I can sound like the entire cast of the Simpsons, doesn't make me Homer Jay.
Message edited by author 2005-03-29 12:17:27. |
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03/29/2005 12:39:10 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by magicshutter:
I can sound like the entire cast of the Simpsons, doesn't make me Homer Jay. |
lol |
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03/29/2005 01:25:33 PM · #16 |
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04/02/2005 02:10:16 AM · #17 |
The answer to this conspiracy is simple. The people coming up with this stuff have never been educated in physics or thermodynamics.
Why is it that a high intensity bomb can go off and hardly leave a mark on the concrete less than three feet away from the center of the blast? Why is it that a HE bomb can be dropped on a target and all the buildings around the one building are fine yet there is nothing left of the one that was hit?
Answer those and you will have your answers on why there is a monitor sitting there apparently unharmed and why certain parts of the structure are still solidly intact when 2 feet away it is rubble. |
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04/04/2005 11:21:05 PM · #18 |
I have a friend that I work with. He has some book on the same subject. I read some of the stuff in the book and it just seam plausible that there should of been a wreck of some sort.
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04/20/2005 07:42:18 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by scuds:
As I said before, I'm not trying to make a point here!
Well...I have just watched a documentary called "911 in plane site".
If aluminum melts at around 1200, why wouldn't a book, or a monitor melt, or incinerate as well?
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The book and the monitor weren̢۪t in the fire. They were just exposed when the portion of the building that was on fire collapsed. |
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04/20/2005 09:22:58 PM · #20 |
| More 911 information than you can shake a stick at September 11th and The New World We Live In |
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04/28/2005 10:50:34 PM · #21 |
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Message edited by author 2019-12-27 11:19:57. |
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05/01/2005 01:37:31 PM · #22 |
Don't confuse "wacko conspiracy" with something that might be true, but that makes you , politically uncomfortable.
I hate this whole Pentagon plane crash stuff, because it IS the wildest, kookiest stuff out there about 9/11, and it IS easy to ridicule.
However, the more one delves into the information available about 9/11, the more inescapable is the conclusion that the White House was complicit in this tragedy.
Each year, more and more of the disgusting truths about Bush and his minion's culpability in this treasonous affair are divulged. What was once dismissed as irresponsible partisan ravings are now acquiesced as fact as iron-clad documentation finds the light of day.
If we actually had a free and unbiased press in this country, the scandal would have resulted in jail time for the true "evil-doers" years ago.
This administration has been caught in so many bald-faced lies it takes a Cray computer to keep track of them. Has anyones feet been held to the fire? No.
Clinton lies about an affair. Front page news for four years! Impeachment actually goes forward, and people don't riot in the streets.
Moral: When you own the media, you own right to define what is a scandal, and what is a "conspiracy theory" so kooky it deserves no attention. |
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05/01/2005 04:13:12 PM · #23 |
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05/01/2005 05:45:45 PM · #24 |
For starters it's a trailer for a Dream Works Production. Spielberg owns part of Dream Works ya know the king of action packed thrillers. //www.hollywood.com/news/detail/article/471727
Spielberg was the director who had people afraid to go in the water in 1975, remember Jaws? In 1993 he scared the crap out of people as we watched a man being eaten while using a port-a-potty in Jurassic Park. In 1998 he made vets cringe and many had flashbacks from the realistic scenes in the movie Saving Private Ryan.
As a producer he made the struggle of the Jews in the Nazi Consentration Camps very real to a whole new generation with Schindler's List.
So why can't you realize this is his next big production as the principal owner in Dream Works he has added his talents and his experience in creating Academy Award Winners to yet another movie. No matter what his role is in the production of this film it's a product of his company's.
Yes this movie gives us a lot to think about but if you have ever been down the interstate past the pentagon you would notice that the interstate is not 50 feet away as it would seem from the trailer but a much greater distance.
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05/02/2005 11:39:40 AM · #25 |
| I bet nobody reviewed any of the information in the link I posted above. |
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