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08/30/2002 02:16:34 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by paganini:
And limited by the camera's ability. My G2 will not be able to focus fast enough to capture most of it, but my old Canon film camera could, wish I had a D60 :) G2 has a notorious slow focus, as are many digital cameras unless it's an SLR.
That is my biggest lament about the Dimage. The focus is dreadfully slow, and on manual focus, I can't really tell because the viewfinder is electric.
But I suppose all the plusses make up for it.
Dawn
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08/30/2002 03:22:41 PM · #27 |
I've been worrying about this very thing all this week. Because I work in a questionably safe area, I'm not going to risk bringing my good camera with me to work, so I've had to rely on my "Walmart Special" VGA mode ViviCam10 to photograph any contenders during the daytime hours for this week's challenge. I have taken one or two pictures that I could live with, but I know they're going to get torn apart in the voting because of the limitations of the camera. In other words, if this wasn't a competitive (and I mean that in a good way) environment, I'd post them in a heartbeat. But this is a contest, and I wouldn't want to enter something I feel to be "marginal" in a contest.
Or maybe I'm just spoiled because I think I've had beginner's luck with my first entry to the site in the "Childhood" challenge. After reading some of the horror stories about 1st time photos getting horrible reviews, I was ready for the same thing, but so far I've done better than expected (5.7 last time I checked, I thought I'd do worse.)
But anyway, I ramble. I do feel better knowing that other people are up against the same challenges as I am this week. Good luck to everyone who enters! And I hope everyone who has a long weekend coming up has a good one. :)
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08/30/2002 06:29:17 PM · #28 |
Well, if i were going to have to take candids of PEOPLE, then i'll probably set it to high zoom with some depth of focus set using manual mode and that's it. But if i can find candid moments elsewhere that doesn't involve people (does candids HAVE to involve a person? what about insect, dogs, etc.?)
Originally posted by just-married:
Originally posted by paganini:
[i]And limited by the camera's ability. My G2 will not be able to focus fast enough to capture most of it, but my old Canon film camera could, wish I had a D60 :) G2 has a notorious slow focus, as are many digital cameras unless it's an SLR.
That is my biggest lament about the Dimage. The focus is dreadfully slow, and on manual focus, I can't really tell because the viewfinder is electric.
But I suppose all the plusses make up for it.
Dawn
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08/30/2002 06:30:12 PM · #29 |
I will judge them for what they are. But, a lot of the things described sound like "bad" pictures to me. If someone puts effort into it, they will get good pictures.
Some people probably will vote these photos down becuase they are not "studio" shots, but the focus should be good, the background should not distract from the subject.
Candid is not an excuse to take blurry, poorly exposed pictures.
Lisa,
You really inferred a lot into my words that I did not mean to imply. I actually really like candid photography, and I think it can be done very well. I do not think that any "style" is an excuse for bad technique.
And you complained why to much about my first photo, something most people seem to go through.
On my web page, there is a shot of my friend Ron that I really like as a candid. It may be a little dark on the web, but I think it is a fairly good photo. I agree with 11n's comments, I just did not want to take the time to write all that lastnight. Ron
Originally posted by lisae:
Zeissman, for someone who has done a lot of complaining about the way others have judged YOUR photos to be technically bad, you are very narrow minded. I thought you made some good points when people voted down your baby photo because it was too dark over the baby's face, so why can't you look at other people's photos the same way you want them to look at yours? Why can't you imagine that things you think make a photo "bad" might be intentional or desirable to the photographer?
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08/31/2002 12:34:56 AM · #30 |
I'm wondering what Zeiss means by 'bad' picture... Grain? Blur? I'm not sure...
I'm thinking that some of these elements will add some nice effects to a candid photo... I think they will also possibly strengthen a candid photo. I'm definitely not against a technically perfect candid photo. I'm just thinking that the imperfections will add to the nature of the candid challenge.
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08/31/2002 12:49:51 AM · #31 |
Okay, here's my 2 cents. I went out tonight to take some candid pics. After getting over the initial embarrassment of taking pics of people at redlights (this was after convincing my husband we would not get into any fights) i found a car show. While waiting for my in-laws to show up for supper at the restaurant next to the car show, I decided I was going to get the perfect candid shot.
Things i learned:
1) A good candid is hard to find.
2) Candid shots are not the best way to win friends and influence people.
3) your husband will get kinda upset if you make everyone wait for dinner while you seek that truly interesting person so that you can take "just one more."
4) My camera focus slowly and needs a lot of light. NOT a good combo at dusk without a tripod.
5) Swivel LCDs are the bomb!
Moral of this story: I have no idea. But I do know now that when I judge next week, tonight's experience will be playing through my head.
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09/01/2002 01:32:10 AM · #32 |
Look at the photos that usually place in the bottom five.
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I'm wondering what Zeiss means by 'bad' picture... Grain? Blur? I'm not sure...
I'm thinking that some of these elements will add some nice effects to a candid photo... I think they will also possibly strengthen a candid photo. I'm definitely not against a technically perfect candid photo. I'm just thinking that the imperfections will add to the nature of the candid challenge.
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09/01/2002 04:01:31 AM · #33 |
I took a shot this week that is possibly one of my favorite shots I've ever taken. It is definitely candid, and it is definitely NOT going to be the photo I submit this week... There are far too many people that think 'blur' = bad... I love this site, but I know that some folks auto vote a 1 for anything that is not a crisp, well lit, 'standard' shot that fits in the very narrowest of interpetations of the challenge...
It is a photo that is likely to hang on my wall, but I found a nice sharp, well lit shot that fits all but the most narrow minded view of candid (although I expect several "doesn't meet the challenge" comments anyway), and that's what I'll submit here.
This thread helped me make that decision. |
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09/01/2002 07:42:37 AM · #34 |
My photo for the candid challenge, in my opinion, is among the best I've ever taken. I'm worried though that people will not think it is "candid" enough, even though it was TOTALLY unplanned and spur of the moment.
Well it's a risk I'm going to take, simply because I like the photo so much. |
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09/01/2002 07:54:42 AM · #35 |
| In a 'site' like this, the theme is the main factor to have in concern. It is evident that this limits severely the selection of the pictures although the picture that we selected is far away from the perfection! |
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09/01/2002 07:58:13 AM · #36 |
Well ... I do not have my shot yet .... so people who have their are in beter shape than me .. and people who love what they did ... that's really great.
To be honest, I think I would prefer having done a shot to hand at home with a 'not se great' score here than the opposite.
Mysql , I understand your frustration, really, but somewhere .. is it 'open minded' to call 'narrow minded' somebody not using the same criteria ? I started here only 3 weeks ago, and so far I am happy with the 'so far' 5.6 I have with childhood, and I do not like either if everytime we take a picture we 'autocolor', 'autocontrast', 'autosharpen' ... it does not always serve the picture.
Anyway ... good luck for this week if you submit and if you would like to (I would like to) you can email me a link to your shot I would be happy to tell you honestly (and trying to be openminded ;-) ) what I think about it .
Lionel
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09/01/2002 09:28:52 AM · #37 |
The difficulty with candid shots lies a lot in the experience of the photographer and the equipment we use here.
The best of the candid stuff is a lot like photojournalism. You go out hunting for a picture for your story. People who have experience hunting down live action stuff have an edge. Most folks have a lot of experience shooting these kinds of photos..they just don't know it or maybe never thought about it.
Then comes the equipment. Its hard to go big game hunting with a squirrel rifle :-) Most if not all photojournalists use high speed SLR's that allow for quick reaction to that special moment.
This is the main reason I had postponed my "Candid Photo" hunt...dreading trying to get a great shot with a slow focusing/reacting camera.
I had opportunities for some of the most intersting action stuff but was severely limited. By the time I saw the shot, swung into position and depressed the button....and waited..and waited...click! The shot was gone.
I got a few nice ones I think BUT...in comparison to how many I had opportunity to take but missed...too many to count.
So.....I'm with the rest of you. A fun challenge topic but very difficult by the very nature of the equipment many times.
I have been saving for a Canon 1D....(sports and wild animal photography are my passions)....maybe Santa will drop one off before long!! |
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09/01/2002 01:29:32 PM · #38 |
| Another issue with candids, since most will be portraits, it makes it harder to find one that has universal appeal. Most of the candids I have that I like, I like because of the feeling they give me. Others may not be able to make the same connection. |
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09/01/2002 02:50:14 PM · #39 |
I just hate missing shots, but I think that we're all facing the same trouble with slow focus. Although, I don't think the G2 is as bad as all that. I caught some fairly decent pics of gymnastics (definitely action) a few weeks ago just by being ready when the shot came.
My niece fell down at the park the other day, and another little girl (a complete stranger) came over, wrapped her arms around her, and helped her up. It was just too cute, but I didn't even have my camera out. Probably just as well since so many folks don't like seeing everyone else's kids ;oP |
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09/01/2002 04:17:48 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by indigo997:
. . .since so many folks don't like seeing everyone else's kids ;oP
There are many ways of photographing your kids without ending up with the run-of-the-mill, coffee-table-photo-album shot. In fact, from the images posted recently many of the people on this site have learned a great deal. The quality of photos has risen tremendously since the birth of DPChallenge and I say if you can take good photos of your kids, then by all means, submit them. |
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09/01/2002 04:22:03 PM · #41 |
If you have a nice 80-400 mm telephoto lens an da digital SLR, you will have a better time of winning this challenge, if you care about winning this challenge :-) We're all gong to be limited by the equipment one way or another, the problem is that most of us don't use the equipment to its limit.
Originally posted by hokie:
The difficulty with candid shots lies a lot in the experience of the photographer and the equipment we use here.
The best of the candid stuff is a lot like photojournalism. You go out hunting for a picture for your story. People who have experience hunting down live action stuff have an edge. Most folks have a lot of experience shooting these kinds of photos..they just don't know it or maybe never thought about it.
Then comes the equipment. Its hard to go big game hunting with a squirrel rifle :-) Most if not all photojournalists use high speed SLR's that allow for quick reaction to that special moment.
This is the main reason I had postponed my "Candid Photo" hunt...dreading trying to get a great shot with a slow focusing/reacting camera.
I had opportunities for some of the most intersting action stuff but was severely limited. By the time I saw the shot, swung into position and depressed the button....and waited..and waited...click! The shot was gone.
I got a few nice ones I think BUT...in comparison to how many I had opportunity to take but missed...too many to count.
So.....I'm with the rest of you. A fun challenge topic but very difficult by the very nature of the equipment many times.
I have been saving for a Canon 1D....(sports and wild animal photography are my passions)....maybe Santa will drop one off before long!!
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09/01/2002 06:05:48 PM · #42 |
| My limit is a very deeply engrained sence of privacy. I just can not make myself persue a stranger. So it will be another middling poor shot for me. Not that I ever saw anything of interest. Dull place. lol aelith |
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09/01/2002 06:09:26 PM · #43 |
| you are just trying to throw us off |
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09/01/2002 06:18:26 PM · #44 |
| Truely the only good shot so far is some big and little gold fish. And actually it wouldn't count as candid because they were rushing to my shaddow looking for bread or what ever, ie. they posed. *grin*. |
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09/01/2002 06:36:22 PM · #45 |
Are animal shots going to be considered candid or do you folks think if it's not a photo with a person in the scene then the photo will get severely penalized?
Originally posted by aelith:
Truely the only good shot so far is some big and little gold fish. And actually it wouldn't count as candid because they were rushing to my shaddow looking for bread or what ever, ie. they posed. *grin*.
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09/01/2002 06:47:51 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Are animal shots going to be considered candid or do you folks think if it's not a photo with a person in the scene then the photo will get severely penalized?
Originally posted by aelith:
[i]Truely the only good shot so far is some big and little gold fish. And actually it wouldn't count as candid because they were rushing to my shaddow looking for bread or what ever, ie. they posed. *grin*.
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I'm sticking to the 'unplanned' and 'unrehearsed' theme... if it's not people, its gonna have to be ok with me...
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09/01/2002 06:52:12 PM · #47 |
i personally dont mind, assuming it's really exceptional ;) .
however i think the majority will penalize.
i have a feeling we're going to see alot of random people shots that maybe don't tell a story but are some person grabbed from afar, at a stoplight, etc.
probably a large number of family and children shots too.
i'm looking fwd to the results of this one .. cant wait to see what peopel came up with! :)
Originally posted by hokie:
Are animal shots going to be considered candid or do you folks think if it's not a photo with a person in the scene then the photo will get severely penalized?
Originally posted by aelith:
[i]Truely the only good shot so far is some big and little gold fish. And actually it wouldn't count as candid because they were rushing to my shaddow looking for bread or what ever, ie. they posed. *grin*.
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09/01/2002 07:00:12 PM · #48 |
| Wow, this was a very difficult challenge. I have carried my camera with me all week and finally got something last night. Talk about last minute. Quality has been an issue for me from the beginning. However, I think by having my camera with me all the time this week, people kind-of expected it, so by the end of the week I could shoot off pictures without having them even skip a beat in their interactions (my definition of candid). |
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