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08/08/2006 10:40:11 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
there is nothing wrong with copying and pasting a similar comment on a few images. i do it myself. copying and pasting the same comment 1500 times -- even if there is an intent to go back and change it -- makes people wonder about the value of the comment. |
I honestly wonder if this would have been an issue if instead of "Great job" she would put in something like "I plan to comment on this later, putting this one here as a bookmark". That is honest at least and demonstrates her intention more sincerely than a hollow-sounding "great job".
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08/08/2006 10:41:02 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Here it is. The "possible penalties" sounded a bit ominous, and it applies to "anyone else", on the unwritten rules clarified by muckpond a few posts back.
Originally posted by HBunch:
... The comments are being removed, and if you (or anyone else) feels the need to continue making such cut and paste comments, they will be removed as well, and possible penalties applied. |
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I would expect and hope that refusal to comply with the governing board of a site have further repercussions, wouldn't you? I don't see how this is ominous. |
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08/08/2006 10:42:12 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Here it is. The "possible penalties" sounded a bit ominous, and it applies to "anyone else", on the unwritten rules clarified by muckpond a few posts back.
Originally posted by HBunch:
... The comments are being removed, and if you (or anyone else) feels the need to continue making such cut and paste comments, they will be removed as well, and possible penalties applied. |
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"Possible penalties" could include being asked again to stop, not being allowed to comment, partial site suspension, entire site suspension, etc. depending on the severity of the offense.
Guys, honestly, we are not responding to 5 or 6 or even 100 or 200 cut and paste comments. There were/are in excess of 1500. That is a stinking lot of cutting and pasting. Yes, she returned and did a more detailed comment for roughly a third of them. But that left 2/3 with a cut and paste comment.
She was asked (kindly and gently, I might add) not to do that and why. When there seemed to be some confusion, it was explained to her again. She basically responded with a "show me the rule or I ain't stopping." (my words, not her exact quote).
This, to me, shows a disregard to site etiquette and the spirit to which the site operates. Yes, there is a clause in the ToS that could apply if we tried, but would be debateable to some (4.1), but it doesn't address this issue specifically because it would seem that it would follow under a common sense type thing.
To many, the cut and paste was a problem. They reported it to the SC who could act or ignore. We chose to act by asking her to stop, and she refused. So the comments in question were hidden. |
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08/08/2006 10:44:27 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by muckpond:
there is nothing wrong with copying and pasting a similar comment on a few images. i do it myself. copying and pasting the same comment 1500 times -- even if there is an intent to go back and change it -- makes people wonder about the value of the comment. |
I honestly wonder if this would have been an issue if instead of "Great job" she would put in something like "I plan to comment on this later, putting this one here as a bookmark". That is honest at least and demonstrates her intention more sincerely than a hollow-sounding "great job". |
I've actually gotten a comment similar to that before. I would imagine after the initial typing, the time involved would be about the same. That said, the downside is that if you don't make it back to re-comment, it is a bit more obvious. |
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08/08/2006 10:47:53 AM · #80 |
Great comments, posted earlier in this forum, by glad2badad.
dudephil and muckpond also says it like it is.
Anyone else, save the fire for the current challenge by the same name.
Congratulations msgoodygal, for getting the honor of joining the CC. It can be a great opportunity for advancing your own skills. I also, don't have as much technical experience as I'd , but like you, do have some natural talent and a good eye for creativity. Several times, I was trying to get bets, that my top 12, included the top 2-3 ribbon-receivers.
Somewhere I posted a suggestion of a copy/paste suggestion.
On a PC just have a Notepad-file visible, of 5 of your generic, but ***well worded***, "canned-comments", for each of the 10 possible scores.
I personally would, rather NOT receive simple-short, comments such as:
1) great job
2) it's not for me
3) I don't like it
4) lovely picture
These were just a few of the "less-descriptive", more worthless comments, some actual ones, not all by msgoodygal.
They don't say much, are not ***really-helpful. Everyone has an opinion.
I always would rather hear the, honest "WHY" behind they're reason, even if they paste 2-3 sentences.
Even something like: This is an excellent shot, very colorful, but many others had more "WoW-factor"
Excellent quote from: "FAQ: How do comments work?"
"As this site focuses on learning, please keep all comments constructive. Try to help the photographer with comments like how to improve the work or how to make it more appealing. Leaving comments also helps your own photography skills, as it teaches you to look at your own work more critically. " |
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08/08/2006 10:49:14 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by justamistere:
Great comments, posted earlier in this forum, by glad2badad.
dudephil and muckpond also says it like it is.
Anyone else, save the fire for the current challenge by the same name.
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08/08/2006 10:50:32 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by karmat:
...To many, the cut and paste was a problem. |
Why, because their score went down with the comment? I REALLY don't think it was the cut and paste issue...JMO of course. ;^)
Originally posted by karmat:
... We chose to act by asking her to stop, and she refused. ... |
I agree, that wasn't a good decision (refusing to stop I mean). |
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08/08/2006 10:51:36 AM · #83 |
You know, I read that in Japan, they need to think up a new word for Sorry because it is too overused and it's sincerity is lost in general usage...
There's a real point here...
If you tell everyone that they are doing a great job and leave it at that, you run the risk of patronizing...
There's a pretty interesting bit in the book "How to make friends and Influence people" By Dale Carnegie (odd capitalization mine) that talks about being lavish with your praise, but being sincere with it too... for if you aren't sincere, then you will destroy the effect of it.
Nobody likes that...
I get lots of those little comments and I mark most of them as not helpful. I appreciate them, but they don't help me.
My personal policy of responding with a comment or a thank you note for comments means that even still, I will do my best to try to find some time to find a pic to comment on in their portfolio. Admittedly though, if I get a comment like "great job", there's a good chance that it will still get skipped.
As to whether it's reasonable to vote low on an image counted high, that's silly.
I've seen lots of pics that are really fantastic, but I feel that they fly flagrantly in the face of the challenge description, so I do a little 0.5 X multiplication and depending on my mood, give a round up or down. Having said that, it's probable that I would give a more in-depth comment, but it's also just as likely that I would say something like Wow!
Not that I'm anything of a standard, but someone out there does it. |
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08/08/2006 11:52:43 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by deapee:
I'll show you no rules for numerous reasons. First, I dont care enough to go searching through them. ... |
That's a cop out. I've searched. They aren't there...
If "rules" are going to be quoted and used as threats, they should exist. If I start cutting and pasting comments now what rule would I break? Where is the line? If I do it on 100 of 300 images in a challenge, if I do it on 25 images per challenge and no one knows - is it "OK" then?
At what point does the witchhunt begin?
Originally posted by deapee:
It's a matter of someone refusing to listen when asked by the proper authorities to stop doing so. |
If that happens, yes - I agree. It would be nice to have some basis for the authoritative request however.
Think about this. If she voted every image a 7 and made that comment on every challenge entry would we still be having this conversation? I don't think so. ...oh, but wait, maybe we would - after all, there is a rule somewhere isn't there? Geez... |
You're out of line now brother. Just step away from the computer. You're mis-representing what I said and nowhere did I threaten anyone. I don't believe anyone threatened anyone in any way whatsoever.
Bottom line...as I said before...maybe you will listen this time. She was asked to stop by authorities...she didn't stop...she broke the rules...she should have moved on...you should move on also...you're wrong.
edit: dp has left the building.......... |
Let me clarify this for EVERYONE who seems to think that I have been asked 4 or 5 times.
I have voted this way on the past 4 or 5 challenges.
I was sent an email YESTERDAY.
I told her YESTERDAY that I will stand behind what I have done in the spirit of why I did it.
I have NOT VOTED AT ALL SINCE I WAS TOLD.
So, how exactly did I refuse to do anything?
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08/08/2006 11:59:06 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
... I was sent an email YESTERDAY. ... |
Hey, I'm curious about something. When you rec'd your email did you know if was from a Site Council member?
I only ask because the couple of times I've gotten PM's (usually in response to a request) they've looked the same as any other PM rec'd from other members. |
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08/08/2006 12:21:35 PM · #86 |
I'm a little confused. Why is this such a big deal?
If msgoodygal has stopped voting this way then why is this flame war going on - especially publicly?
I see people all worked up and yelling at each other - and for what? Why is it so hard to just stop copying and pasting so many comments and move on? Did we / do we really need this huge discussion about it? Could this not really be solved much more easily with a few e-mails?
If you don't like Hbunch it seems like it would be easier to take it up with Langdon rather than argue about it on the forums. No one here can solve or help the issue.
edit:spelling
Message edited by author 2006-08-08 12:22:36. |
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08/08/2006 12:22:55 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
... I was sent an email YESTERDAY. ... |
Hey, I'm curious about something. When you rec'd your email did you know if was from a Site Council member?
I only ask because the couple of times I've gotten PM's (usually in response to a request) they've looked the same as any other PM rec'd from other members. |
Hi...
No, there was no way to know based on the email itself, not the header or the content, and the sender did not state such.
DPChallenge user HBunch has sent you the following private message is all it said, and it was signed 'Heather'. |
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08/08/2006 12:23:32 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by justamistere:
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Great comments, posted earlier in this forum, by glad2badad.
dudephil and muckpond also says it like it is.
Anyone else, save the fire for the current challenge by the same name.
huh
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Deapee, what are you referring to by "huh"?
(you may be offline)
I was trying to:
1) Acknowledging some of the positive remarks here.
2) Suggesting fiery forum commenters to redirect their fire in the current challeneg.
3) I was offering a suggestion for an improved Copy/Paste commenting style. |
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08/08/2006 12:31:44 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
I'm a little confused. Why is this such a big deal?
If msgoodygal has stopped voting this way then why is this flame war going on - especially publicly?
I see people all worked up and yelling at each other - and for what? Why is it so hard to just stop copying and pasting so many comments and move on? Did we / do we really need this huge discussion about it? Could this not really be solved much more easily with a few e-mails?
If you don't like Hbunch it seems like it would be easier to take it up with Langdon rather than argue about it on the forums. No one here can solve or help the issue.
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.... in regard to it being done publically, it started this way in this thread because people were wondering why their comments were disappearing without being given any explanation. So I stated what was going on, and explained to HB that I have nothing to hide in regard to this matter, so it continued here.
In regard to 'not liking Hbunch', it never was a matter of 'not liking her'. I don't even know her. I never even saw her name or had any communication with her until late yesterday afternoon.
The issue is not about Hbunch personally. It's about a policy that they are attempting to enforce, an accusation that was made, and the fact now that their FAQs should be comprehensive of ALL of their rules, so that new members coming in here (paying members at that), should not have to go through accusations and penalization for breaking rules that are not posted. A lousy way of treating a paying customer, IMHO, when the fault is that their own FAQs should have their rules clearly stated.
When their statement that comments are 'ENCOURAGED' is made publically, then when they want to pick and choose which comments should stay and which should go, they should formally be able to back up their reasoning by way of pointing to their rule in writing, and then there would be NO ability to debate on this matter, would there?
Message edited by author 2006-08-08 12:32:16. |
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08/08/2006 02:01:00 PM · #90 |
msgoodygal: What do you think of my earlier suggestions here about the improved style of Copying/Pasting comments? Is that a viable solution to some?
This says a lot-FAQ: "As this site focuses on learning, please keep all comments constructive. Try to help the photographer with comments like how to improve the work or how to make it more appealing." Short comments like "it's good" or "It's bad" are not helpful and can be worthless.
As a newbie here I have found several things that are not spelled out somewhere in black-and-white. Yes, that can be frustrating.
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Like should we ignore the "Challenge Details" totally. Some have and even got a ribbon. I don't remember reading about that except in forums, "which come and go from the surface".
The only penalty I got in the begining was I hesitated to submit some excellent photos because I feared the DNMC stamp of disapproval.
How To End the Challenge Details controversy
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08/08/2006 02:16:29 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by justamistere:
... This says a lot-FAQ: "As this site focuses on learning, please keep all comments constructive. Try to help the photographer with comments like how to improve the work or how to make it more appealing." Short comments like "it's good" or "It's bad" are not helpful and can be worthless. ... |
Hi. Where did you find the info you posted on comments? The closest thing I can find on DPChallenge.com to what you've posted is this, from the FAQ:
How do comments work?
Voters are highly encouraged to leave comments on photographs. During voting, simply type your comment in the space provided, and then click your vote. You may adjust your comments later.
After voting, you can add more comments on the photograph and see what others said about the photograph as well. As this site focuses on learning, please keep all comments constructive. Try to help the photographer with comments like how to improve the work or how to make it more appealing. Leaving comments also helps your own photography skills, as it teaches you to look at your own work more critically.
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08/08/2006 02:21:14 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by justamistere:
... This says a lot-FAQ: "As this site focuses on learning, please keep all comments constructive. Try to help the photographer with comments like how to improve the work or how to make it more appealing." Short comments like "it's good" or "It's bad" are not helpful and can be worthless. ... |
Hi. Where did you find the info you posted on comments? The closest thing I can find on DPChallenge.com to what you've posted is this, from the FAQ:
How do comments work?
Voters are highly encouraged to leave comments on photographs. During voting, simply type your comment in the space provided, and then click your vote. You may adjust your comments later.
After voting, you can add more comments on the photograph and see what others said about the photograph as well. As this site focuses on learning, please keep all comments constructive. Try to help the photographer with comments like how to improve the work or how to make it more appealing. Leaving comments also helps your own photography skills, as it teaches you to look at your own work more critically. |
I think the parts not in quotes are his own words. ;)
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08/08/2006 02:28:37 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
... It's about a policy that they are attempting to enforce, an accusation that was made, and the fact now that their FAQs should be comprehensive of ALL of their rules, so that new members coming in here (paying members at that), should not have to go through accusations and penalization for breaking rules that are not posted. ... |
First of all, great job on your commenting. I went to your profile and read many of those you have left for others after reading this thread and you do a good job of letting the photog know exactly what about the photo has affected you. It is easy to see why you would be invited to join the CC -- if that was you, some of the logic in the thread has become a bit twisted so I may have missunderstood who was being referred to (if your not a member, ask to join).
However, to throw my considerably devalued 2 pennies into the fray, section 4.3 of the TOS (quoted earlier and linked at the bottom of every page) is a policy against using the DPC server to spam others. I realize it was not your intention, and understand you meant well, but 1500 identical comments is clearly spam.
Sending 1500 identical emails or PMs would certainly be considered spam, as would pasting identical posts into a thread, or even one to every active thread of the day would be easily considered spam as well. Surely you can see how posting the same (or even nearly the same) comment repeatedly is spamming the challenges.
It has nothing to do with your comments not being of value -- as I've said, I've read thru many of them and they certainly are of value. But regardless of content, be it 'text', '.', 'great job' or even 'be back later to comment' -- the place-holder is of benefit only to you, not the photog since it has nothing in it concerning the photo.
Your comments are welcome, but please reconsider spamming the challenge entries.
David
Message edited by author 2006-08-08 14:30:27.
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08/08/2006 02:43:06 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by justamistere:
Great comments, posted earlier in this forum, by glad2badad.
dudephil and muckpond also says it like it is.
Anyone else, save the fire for the current challenge by the same name.
Congratulations msgoodygal, for getting the honor of joining the CC. It can be a great opportunity for advancing your own skills. I also, don't have as much technical experience as I'd , but like you, do have some natural talent and a good eye for creativity. Several times, I was trying to get bets, that my top 12, included the top 2-3 ribbon-receivers.
Somewhere I posted a suggestion of a copy/paste suggestion.
On a PC just have a Notepad-file visible, of 5 of your generic, but ***well worded***, "canned-comments", for each of the 10 possible scores.
I personally would, rather NOT receive simple-short, comments such as:
1) great job
2) it's not for me
3) I don't like it
4) lovely picture
These were just a few of the "less-descriptive", more worthless comments, some actual ones, not all by msgoodygal.
They don't say much, are not ***really-helpful. Everyone has an opinion.
I always would rather hear the, honest "WHY" behind they're reason, even if they paste 2-3 sentences.
Even something like: This is an excellent shot, very colorful, but many others had more "WoW-factor"
Excellent quote from: "FAQ: How do comments work?"
"As this site focuses on learning, please keep all comments constructive. Try to help the photographer with comments like how to improve the work or how to make it more appealing. Leaving comments also helps your own photography skills, as it teaches you to look at your own work more critically. " |
Hi... Thank you for trying to give a viable solution to the problem at hand. I am certainly open for suggestion, but this is a multi-level issue.
First, there seems to be a problem with what I wrote, as being mis-interpreted by many as an attempt to be smug or something negative, rather than what their real intention was for (please see the thread where I have put my intent clearly in writing, the thread for 'stopped motion' scores. If all posts were removed because their intent was unknown or misunderstood, I'd think that the folks here at DPC would have to hire a crew of about 10 people just to keep up with the deletions of such comments. To single MY comments out, although misunderstood or intent unknown, is simply wrong when there are LOTS of comments out there that fall under this umbrella.
Secondly, there seems to be an issue with the actual function of 'cut and paste' being used. If it helps someone who genuinely wants to leave a comment in the true spirit of the challenge, what is the problem? If it facilitates trying to get through hundreds of entries in a given challenge, because the commenter wants to leave even a small comment, what is the problem? Cut and paste is a tool that many of us use to get through monotonous tasks. And yes, commenting on each and every entry is a monotonous task at times. Would it have been any different had I said that I did not use copy and paste, that I typed in each letter of that comment? No. So the issue is NOT the use of copy and paste, really, do you think?
And thirdly, the issue is in regard to the fact that although they 'encourage' comments, at what point then do they go from being something that is encouraged, to something that is 'altering scores'? I mean, if all of us decided to one day leave a comment out of the goodness of our heart for 100% of the entries, are we then trying to alter scores? If so, at what point does this accusation then take place? At 50% of comments left for entries? At 75% of comments left for entries?
Or is it simply that they do not really encourage comments? Or is it that they only encourage certain comments? Or is it that they only encourage comments for certain members? I mean, come on now, where is the line drawn?
And not only are these issues at hand, but there are also the more subtle issues at play, such as accusing someone - someone who pays - of doing something and penalizing them for doing something that the admins themselves admit is not done with maliciousness.
If they know that it was not malicious, and truly encourage votes, why am I, a paying member, going through this?
They sat and responded to members of this thread who had ASSumed that I had been given warning after warning after warning. They never once stood up and said, wait, no, we just contacted her YESTERDAY for the first time. Admins responded numerous times in between these erroneous assumptions and posts. They allowed these people to continue to paint me in a bad light, PROBABLY because it made THEM look better for what they are doing. But allowing that to happen without making the correction to what people were saying is unfair and slanderous to a paying member.
I would suggest that anyone who does not understand the intent of my 'Great Job' post, to read my post in the other thread. |
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08/08/2006 02:45:43 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by David.C:
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
... It's about a policy that they are attempting to enforce, an accusation that was made, and the fact now that their FAQs should be comprehensive of ALL of their rules, so that new members coming in here (paying members at that), should not have to go through accusations and penalization for breaking rules that are not posted. ... |
First of all, great job on your commenting. I went to your profile and read many of those you have left for others after reading this thread and you do a good job of letting the photog know exactly what about the photo has affected you. It is easy to see why you would be invited to join the CC -- if that was you, some of the logic in the thread has become a bit twisted so I may have missunderstood who was being referred to (if your not a member, ask to join).
However, to throw my considerably devalued 2 pennies into the fray, section 4.3 of the TOS (quoted earlier and linked at the bottom of every page) is a policy against using the DPC server to spam others. I realize it was not your intention, and understand you meant well, but 1500 identical comments is clearly spam.
Sending 1500 identical emails or PMs would certainly be considered spam, as would pasting identical posts into a thread, or even one to every active thread of the day would be easily considered spam as well. Surely you can see how posting the same (or even nearly the same) comment repeatedly is spamming the challenges.
It has nothing to do with your comments not being of value -- as I've said, I've read thru many of them and they certainly are of value. But regardless of content, be it 'text', '.', 'great job' or even 'be back later to comment' -- the place-holder is of benefit only to you, not the photog since it has nothing in it concerning the photo.
Your comments are welcome, but please reconsider spamming the challenge entries.
David |
Hi David, thank you for your kind words, but I'd like to point out that out of my 1500 entries, 33% of those are not identical 'great job' posts. Those stats were given to me by an admin here.
Telling someone that I feel that their entry is a 'great job' in and of itself, regardless of the photo at hand is hardly spam. |
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08/08/2006 02:48:18 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
Originally posted by David.C:
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
... It's about a policy that they are attempting to enforce, an accusation that was made, and the fact now that their FAQs should be comprehensive of ALL of their rules, so that new members coming in here (paying members at that), should not have to go through accusations and penalization for breaking rules that are not posted. ... |
First of all, great job on your commenting. I went to your profile and read many of those you have left for others after reading this thread and you do a good job of letting the photog know exactly what about the photo has affected you. It is easy to see why you would be invited to join the CC -- if that was you, some of the logic in the thread has become a bit twisted so I may have missunderstood who was being referred to (if your not a member, ask to join).
However, to throw my considerably devalued 2 pennies into the fray, section 4.3 of the TOS (quoted earlier and linked at the bottom of every page) is a policy against using the DPC server to spam others. I realize it was not your intention, and understand you meant well, but 1500 identical comments is clearly spam.
Sending 1500 identical emails or PMs would certainly be considered spam, as would pasting identical posts into a thread, or even one to every active thread of the day would be easily considered spam as well. Surely you can see how posting the same (or even nearly the same) comment repeatedly is spamming the challenges.
It has nothing to do with your comments not being of value -- as I've said, I've read thru many of them and they certainly are of value. But regardless of content, be it 'text', '.', 'great job' or even 'be back later to comment' -- the place-holder is of benefit only to you, not the photog since it has nothing in it concerning the photo.
Your comments are welcome, but please reconsider spamming the challenge entries.
David |
Hi David, thank you for your kind words, but I'd like to point out that out of my 1500 entries, 33% of those are not identical 'great job' posts. Those stats were given to me by an admin here.
Telling someone that I feel that their entry is a 'great job' in and of itself, regardless of the photo at hand is hardly spam. |
IMO 1,000 comments of "good job" is spam regardless of 500 in depth critiques. |
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08/08/2006 02:52:44 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
Originally posted by David.C:
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
... It's about a policy that they are attempting to enforce, an accusation that was made, and the fact now that their FAQs should be comprehensive of ALL of their rules, so that new members coming in here (paying members at that), should not have to go through accusations and penalization for breaking rules that are not posted. ... |
First of all, great job on your commenting. I went to your profile and read many of those you have left for others after reading this thread and you do a good job of letting the photog know exactly what about the photo has affected you. It is easy to see why you would be invited to join the CC -- if that was you, some of the logic in the thread has become a bit twisted so I may have missunderstood who was being referred to (if your not a member, ask to join).
However, to throw my considerably devalued 2 pennies into the fray, section 4.3 of the TOS (quoted earlier and linked at the bottom of every page) is a policy against using the DPC server to spam others. I realize it was not your intention, and understand you meant well, but 1500 identical comments is clearly spam.
Sending 1500 identical emails or PMs would certainly be considered spam, as would pasting identical posts into a thread, or even one to every active thread of the day would be easily considered spam as well. Surely you can see how posting the same (or even nearly the same) comment repeatedly is spamming the challenges.
It has nothing to do with your comments not being of value -- as I've said, I've read thru many of them and they certainly are of value. But regardless of content, be it 'text', '.', 'great job' or even 'be back later to comment' -- the place-holder is of benefit only to you, not the photog since it has nothing in it concerning the photo.
Your comments are welcome, but please reconsider spamming the challenge entries.
David |
Hi David, thank you for your kind words, but I'd like to point out that out of my 1500 entries, 33% of those are not identical 'great job' posts. Those stats were given to me by an admin here.
Telling someone that I feel that their entry is a 'great job' in and of itself, regardless of the photo at hand is hardly spam. |
IMO 1,000 comments of "good job" is spam regardless of 500 in depth critiques. |
The majority of the feedback that I've received thus far in this matter reflect quite the opposite, that my 'good or great' job comments have not been a problem at all to most entrants. |
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08/08/2006 02:56:20 PM · #98 |
| I just wanted to also add, for those of you that have posted here that I have not responded to individually, I apologize. Many of these posts came in while I sleep. Not trying to ignore anyone's comments here, as they all have value. |
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08/08/2006 02:57:06 PM · #99 |
Every challenge has a scores thread. Why not just put "good job to everyone who entered!" in each thread? It'd sure save you a lot of time.
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08/08/2006 03:09:45 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by msgoodygal:
Hi... Thank you for trying to give a viable solution to the problem at hand. I am certainly open for suggestion, but this is a multi-level issue.
First, there seems to be a problem with what I wrote, as being mis-interpreted by many as an attempt to be smug or something negative, rather than what their real intention was for (please see the thread where I have put my intent clearly in writing, the thread for 'stopped motion' scores. If all posts were removed because their intent was unknown or misunderstood, I'd think that the folks here at DPC would have to hire a crew of about 10 people just to keep up with the deletions of such comments. To single MY comments out, although misunderstood or intent unknown, is simply wrong when there are LOTS of comments out there that fall under this umbrella.
Secondly, there seems to be an issue with the actual function of 'cut and paste' being used. If it helps someone who genuinely wants to leave a comment in the true spirit of the challenge, what is the problem? If it facilitates trying to get through hundreds of entries in a given challenge, because the commenter wants to leave even a small comment, what is the problem? Cut and paste is a tool that many of us use to get through monotonous tasks. And yes, commenting on each and every entry is a monotonous task at times. Would it have been any different had I said that I did not use copy and paste, that I typed in each letter of that comment? No. So the issue is NOT the use of copy and paste, really, do you think?
And thirdly, the issue is in regard to the fact that although they 'encourage' comments, at what point then do they go from being something that is encouraged, to something that is 'altering scores'? I mean, if all of us decided to one day leave a comment out of the goodness of our heart for 100% of the entries, are we then trying to alter scores? If so, at what point does this accusation then take place? At 50% of comments left for entries? At 75% of comments left for entries?
Or is it simply that they do not really encourage comments? Or is it that they only encourage certain comments? Or is it that they only encourage comments for certain members? I mean, come on now, where is the line drawn?
And not only are these issues at hand, but there are also the more subtle issues at play, such as accusing someone - someone who pays - of doing something and penalizing them for doing something that the admins themselves admit is not done with maliciousness.
If they know that it was not malicious, and truly encourage votes, why am I, a paying member, going through this?
They sat and responded to members of this thread who had ASSumed that I had been given warning after warning after warning. They never once stood up and said, wait, no, we just contacted her YESTERDAY for the first time. Admins responded numerous times in between these erroneous assumptions and posts. They allowed these people to continue to paint me in a bad light, PROBABLY because it made THEM look better for what they are doing. But allowing that to happen without making the correction to what people were saying is unfair and slanderous to a paying member.
I would suggest that anyone who does not understand the intent of my 'Great Job' post, to read my post in the other thread. |
First off, there are actually 15 or so of us that are 'hired' to remove such comments. If you can find other users who are doing the same thing, by all means, contact the admin so that we can deal with this issue immediately.
You were contacted numerous times being asked to stop, to which you responded numerous times that you would not. Is this false?
Weather or not you meant to do it is really irrelivant, since the end result is the same.
**the following is in no way representational of the SC, but rather my own personal statement**
I'm curious, with the ammount of people stating that the comments are worthless and mean nothing to them, and even people saying that they would almost prefer no comment at all to one where the commentor put absolutely no effort into it what so ever. Members who have received these comments asking you to stop because they were not appreciated. The numerous complaints the SC received about your comments, why are you even arguing your right to post them?
Is it really that hard to write 'I like the color', 'Good focus', 'too dark', or 'nice lighting'?? I mean, you'd have to spend an extra 2 seconds on each image, but I'm sure it would mean a lot more to the photographers. If you are so concerned with making the photographers happy, then why not take this approach instead of fighting for something that very few people appreciate anyway?
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