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 10/04/2002 12:36:30 AM · #26
Originally posted by CLarson557:
I can't imagine life anymore without my cable modem. I'm an Internet junkie, so the added cost of paying for the cable is well worth it and I would recommend it to anyone where broadband is available.


Broadband in Australia is a big issue. It's just not commercially viable under the present circumstances. The deals that do exist have big restrictions like a 1GB or 3GB cap on downloads each month, which makes it almost not worth it. Even despite that, I would have signed up for my ISP's ADSL service when it was recently launched, but it requires that you sign a 12 month contract, but since my boyfriend and I live in a rented house and don't know if we're staying here long term, we just can't do that. We would have to pay out the rest of the contract if we moved.

It's all a huge mess.
 10/04/2002 12:40:04 AM · #27
How does the random presentation work exactly? I've opened the page several times within a 10 minute period and been given almost the same order each time (twice it was exactly the same). Was it just a fluke?
I'm still voting on all the pics each week, but I can't comment on that many with a modem. AND the thumbnail page always freezes halfway through loading for me.
 10/04/2002 07:42:21 AM · #28
nancy, it's in a different random order *for each person*. However, for oneself, it will always be in the same order.

What this means is that if every person votes on say 20% in the order which they are given them, it should be a good enough sampling distribution so that the ratings are fair.


Originally posted by indigo997:
How does the random presentation work exactly? I've opened the page several times within a 10 minute period and been given almost the same order each time (twice it was exactly the same). Was it just a fluke?
I'm still voting on all the pics each week, but I can't comment on that many with a modem. AND the thumbnail page always freezes halfway through loading for me.

10/04/2002 07:44:19 AM · #29
It's imperative that users have the option to choose # of thumbnails per page.





10/04/2002 08:24:01 AM · #30
Originally posted by nards656:
And here you miss my point entirely. I NEVER, may I repeat NEVER, vote on a thumbnail... They are a tool in my process of voting...

I think you missed MY point -- to ensure a random distribution of votes of those who don't vote on all pictures, that they not be "allowed" to pick and choose from the thumbnails page which photos they will vote on. Once you have voted on some (randomly presentd) photos, they will be (are) available on a thumbnails page, from which you can adjust your vote directly, without returning to the large picture. And I KNOW some of mine have looked better in the smaller version...
 10/04/2002 08:41:21 AM · #31
garageband.com is to musicians what DPC is to photographers. User submissions are reviewed anonymously both for artist feedback and to win a contest.

At garageband.com, when you go to review songs, you choose your genre, but then you have absolutely no control over which song you will get.

There is no 'thumbnail view', no picking and choosing what 'looks good to vote on'.

In my view, that's the only way to be fair to all the artists/submitters. You might have to vote on/review a good image/song or you might have to do a poorer one.

But that's the only way to be fair, and it's also the only way having to vote on a sub-sample (as opposed to the entire body of entries) could work.
 10/04/2002 08:51:11 AM · #32
Now why'd you have to tell me about THAT site? I'm already scheduled for about 28 hours/day...
 10/04/2002 08:59:43 AM · #33
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by nards656:
[i]And here you miss my point entirely. I NEVER, may I repeat NEVER, vote on a thumbnail... They are a tool in my process of voting...

I think you missed MY point -- to ensure a random distribution of votes of those who don't vote on all pictures, that they not be "allowed" to pick and choose from the thumbnails page which photos they will vote on. Once you have voted on some (randomly presentd) photos, they will be (are) available on a thumbnails page, from which you can adjust your vote directly, without returning to the large picture. And I KNOW some of mine have looked better in the smaller version...[/i]

I admit I did miss your point. My apology. You are very correct in that users cannot be allowed to pick the photos they vote on for the statistical process to work.

 10/04/2002 09:16:46 AM · #34
i feel your pain ; ) ...

it's even worse if you're an active musician AND an active photographer. :P

(still waiting for the powers that be to transition us to the 40 hour day with corresponding increase in longevity of life :) )...

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Now why'd you have to tell me about THAT site? I'm already scheduled for about 28 hours/day...

 10/04/2002 09:20:26 AM · #35
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
i feel your pain ; ) ...

it's even worse if you're an active musician AND an active photographer. :P


Been trying to be for about the last 20 years...but not very successfully...somehow the two "day jobs" and the kid usually prove too distracting...
 10/04/2002 10:01:57 AM · #36
plus other relationships. plus keeping in shape. plus chores ... i hear ya : )

P.S. any music you want to share? :)

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
[i]i feel your pain ; ) ...

it's even worse if you're an active musician AND an active photographer. :P


Been trying to be for about the last 20 years...but not very successfully...somehow the two "day jobs" and the kid usually prove too distracting...[/i]



* This message has been edited by the author on 10/4/2002 10:13:04 AM.
 10/04/2002 11:36:10 AM · #37
I have voted on every shot and I have commented on 118 – mostly quite extensivelyâ€Â¦ I would love to be able to comment on all, but the time thing means I certainly couldn't do even this number every week. Commenting is as important to me as submitting, so I want to do itâ€Â¦

OK, what about a Mid Week Challenge that just runs concurrently with the regular challenge only finishing and starting mid week; same voting rules, same method. This would then give a choice of challenge and let the voters make up their own minds where they want to vote – and the photographers where they want to submitâ€Â¦ What's important is not quantity of voting, but qualityâ€Â¦ By splitting the challenge, I'd guess that we'd get around fifty percent per challengeâ€Â¦

Of course, this could all be utter garbage, and a photo of this post could win next weeks challenge :o)
 10/04/2002 11:43:39 AM · #38
I voted all (and that takes a long time because I work through all photos about 3-5 times.
I commented 70.
It's time consuming.
I wish I could comment all like I did the first few weeks I was here but I just can't find the time.
Kavey
 10/04/2002 01:24:54 PM · #39
Originally posted by timj351:
I think it is real nice the way it is. What people seem to be forgetting is that the photos are presented to each person in a different order. So if everyone only voted on 25% of the photos, or any % for that matter, It would still be a very accurate representation of the voting. By having a challenge each week keeps things moving at a good pace and so if there is a challenge that you don't want to participate in or you just missed it for some reason you don't have to wait two weeks to participate again. 7 days is just enough time to take a good photo and any more time wouldn't be much of a challenge.

T


I'm with Tim on this one! The current pace is ideal to keep it interesting, and gives enough time to come up with something. If we give people more time, there will be more pictures, so I don't think that's a good option.

I guess what we really have to look at is the submissions/vote per submission ratio. If this ratio is steadily declining, there is definately an issue to deal with, if it's constant, the current system works well. The point being that we may end up with 500 submissions, but only 100 votes per submission, which wouldn't be good.

Drew, have you taken a look at that ratio? Thanks for letting us know!

Jakob
 10/04/2002 01:44:20 PM · #40
There much simpler ways to make voting more user friendly.

1. In addition to free form comments, allow a set of particular pre-set comment choices, as to indicate what the person liked or didn't about the image.

2. Reduce the rating range from 1-10 to 1-5.

3. And as someone mentioned have more than one challenge at a time.
 10/04/2002 07:26:30 PM · #41
I am really new to this site, but am rapidly finding that I can't stay away. The concept is great, the competition is fun and the photos are inspiring.
But... there are too many to vote on in one week. I like the suggestion posted earlier to go to a two-week period. It would allow more time for voting on the images as well as more time to compose and enter a submission.
 10/04/2002 07:36:17 PM · #42
How about someone could step up to the plate and offer broadband for free for us dialup users. I promise I'll leave more comments. If not, then I like the suggestion for pre-written comments. I think it's necessary to keep the rating scale from 1 to 10 though. For the most part I think it works ok as far as voting. I'd like to have 2 weeks to shoot though. In an earlier post many moons ago I asked about concurrent challenges where shooting lasts for 2 weeks, even though voting only lasts for one. At the current rate of increase for submissions, we're gonna be to 500 very soon. Gotta get back to the kids. Thanks for listening.
 10/04/2002 08:00:59 PM · #43
As I mentioned above, I do think that keeping the shooting period to one week satisfies the challenge idea and keeps the interest high. But lengthening the voting period to two weeks for each contest should satisfy those requiring more time for that part of the exercise.
 10/05/2002 03:27:45 AM · #44
I have been here almost since the begining, and there is no doubt that the site has grown tremendously. However, I don't think that increased voting time will mean that much.

All this talk about a two week voting period is just an ideal fantasy. The truth of the matter is, that having a two week voting period and a one week challenge period is going to create more complications than the present system. For one, there would be two challenges to vote on at once; the second week of voting on the first challenge, and the first week of voting on the second challenge. So in the end you would basically be back to voting like the current system, because you would be spending all your time getting in the votes and comments on the first challenge and letting the second challenge sit until the second week. However, there could be a few people out there that would finish voting on the first challenge early in the week and start on the next, but according to most people here they don't have enough time to finish voting and commenting on one challenge.

So basically like anything else, when things get bigger you can't expect to hear from everyone because it just isn't realistic. Its sorta like living in a small town vs. a large city. There are advantages to both. Stong personal communication is just not one of the strengths of a larger community.
 10/05/2002 03:35:41 AM · #45
Also in addition to my last comment. I like to recieve comments as much as the next person, and I also realize that comments have been decreasing over time. However, for the most part I think that most people can get the main issues surrounding their photos with around 15 comments. After after around 15, I have noticed that many are just restating a previous comment. While this is not always true, I think for the most part it covers most photos.

But on the other hand it sure is nice to get a lot of praise.
 10/05/2002 05:08:11 AM · #46
As a person being in for just a couple a weeks, I´m not sure that I should say anything here at all yet. But what the ...
I think Dimitrii´s idea about some preset-comments is a very good one. If you also have the possibility to line up some comments of your own, it would be a perfect combination. This is a very good alternative for us coming from non-English countries. You know it´s sometimes hard to express opinions and feelings in other lamguages than your own. In my case Swedish. Especially if you only have your school-English to lean back on.
But I still think a rating scale 1-10 is a good one. And I think it´s important to focus on one challenge at a time. Otherwise it will be just a mess.
 10/05/2002 12:33:27 PM · #47
What if we had categories that you could submit and vote in, such as semi-pro/pro-wanna-be, serious amature, hobbiest, novice. Each person can submit in only one category, and be judged with others of similar quality. i.e., when you judge, you pick you category that you want to review and comment on. You're comparing less in each category, and those with more to learn get a better chance to learn, and those experieced are comparing against similarly talented persons.
 10/05/2002 09:24:57 PM · #48
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
...plus other relationships. plus keeping in shape. plus chores ... i hear ya : )
...It's even worse if you're an active musician AND an active photographer. :P

P.S. any music you want to share? :)

Since you asked, I'd love your opinion of some genuine garage-band music (recorded 1991) which seems to have gained new poignancy in the wake of recent world events. There's also a text file there with some liner notes and lyrics. Just to make it MORE complicated, our lead guitarist and bass player have switched roles for this one...

This is supposed to be an HTTP link:
Pride Of Man

Here's an FTP link:
ftp://paradiseparkmusic.com/eclectic-shock/Pride_Of_Man.mp3

Our lead guitarist also has a CD of classical guitar (originals) at MP3.com.

* This message has been edited by the author on 10/5/2002 9:27:43 PM.
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