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08/01/2003 10:32:24 PM · #1 |
I just voted on the "Fill the Frame" challenge. I gave a lot of high scores. I was surprised at the quality of the entrys. Good job everyone.
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08/01/2003 10:52:58 PM · #2 |
After you voted my score drop 0.2 points,thanks for the high score!
:-)
Message edited by author 2003-08-01 22:53:14.
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08/03/2003 07:37:58 PM · #3 |
| I need some creative people to vote in Fill the Frame - before it's too late!! This is my favourite shot so far and it's just not scoring high enough. ;) |
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08/03/2003 07:43:24 PM · #4 |
Tops4m,
I just finished voting in "fill the frame" myself. I thought it didn't hold a candle to the "In the Garden" images, but judging photography is a very subjective activity.
Jon Lucas,
I hope I gave you a high score. We f717 folks gotta stick together. :)
Based on my knowledge of our cameras, I will look forward to seeing how I rated your image in a couple hours.
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08/03/2003 07:54:43 PM · #5 |
I agree with you re quality - my highest rated are very clearly defined in Fill the Frame, but the garden shots have drained me of 9s and 10s!
Like your Cactus cliché shot and the Walmart Lightning Lamp - how much do they cost? It looks funky! Is it curved like a spiral - I can't quite work its form out?
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08/03/2003 08:12:06 PM · #6 |
Jon Lucas,
You flatter me by looking at my images. I'm really not that good.
I can't remember how much the Wal-Mart lamp costs, but it is not much, maybe $20 or so. I bought mine at a "super store", but if you have a Wal-Mart near you will find one. The trick in that image was taking it through glass from below.
I have been wanting to beat "Cactus Cliche" for a long time and I will with my entry in "In the Garden" That one is at almost 6.9 right now and is unlikely to fall below "cliche"
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08/04/2003 01:18:00 AM · #7 |
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08/04/2003 01:23:28 AM · #8 |
| Creativity is not the only important element in a photo and it seems pretty tacky to me to point out specific photos that you think are not creative. |
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08/04/2003 01:35:01 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
Looks like most of the creative people forgot to vote on this challenge! I got 64th place with this:
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Had I been able to vote then this
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=30160
is the only image I would have given a higher score than yours.
I would however want your entry to have a greater DoF with the rims of the sunglasses in a wee bit sharper focus.
Also no point in pointing fingers. Didn't you enjoy yourself when you shot that picture?
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08/04/2003 01:36:16 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by mk:
Creativity is not the only important element in a photo and it seems pretty tacky to me to point out specific photos that you think are not creative. |
It always amuses me when people get out of bed when comparisons are made. What just happened in the challenge then?
Why is it tacky? Why not try to work out how people's minds work? Personally, I think photography is a creative process and and an important element in a photo. Otherwise what you get is a load of mind-reducing shots that offer no fresh viewpoint on life or the subject matter.
Lighten up and stop being so PC (politically correct!) :)
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Just noticed your post Tarique - thanks. The shot you chose though features another's work of art and as such (for me anyway) is less interesting. And yes, I did enjoy taking it! I also enjoy the ranting afterwards!! ;)
Message edited by author 2003-08-04 01:39:43.
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08/04/2003 01:46:56 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
And yes, I did enjoy taking it! I also enjoy the ranting afterwards!! ;) |
Yes! I can understand, I regularly engage in flame wars over weekends in programming and technical mailing lists - Great stress buster. Here however I am out of my depth and field so I keep shut ... wonder how long ;)
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08/04/2003 01:54:58 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
Why is it tacky? Why not try to work out how people's minds work? Personally, I think photography is a creative process and and an important element in a photo. Otherwise what you get is a load of mind-reducing shots that offer no fresh viewpoint on life or the subject matter.
Lighten up and stop being so PC (politically correct!) :)
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Tacky because I didn't see any effort to "see how people's minds work"(no questions), just complaining about how you thought your shot was better than other people's. I, too, think that creativity is an important factor, just not the only one. And no, your method of comparison isn't what just happened or you would have voted on your photo.
Nothing against your photo, I happened to like it. I just think that attempting to discredit others' photos is in poor taste. But I'll get back in my bed now. |
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08/04/2003 02:12:38 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by mk:
I, too, think that creativity is an important factor, just not the only one. And no, your method of comparison isn't what just happened or you would have voted on your photo. |
Two things - I never said creativity was the only factor, and I did vote on mine - silently! And there's no complaining - just comparing, and waiting to hear some views. However, it looks like debate can sometimes be confused for attack.
Glad you liked it by the way, but one question - do you think the voting on this challenge mostly reflects the skill of photography or the appeal of the subject matter?
Message edited by author 2003-08-04 02:13:12. |
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08/04/2003 02:22:15 AM · #14 |
I think that part of the "skill of photography" is finding an appealing subject matter so I'm going to assume that by skill, you mean technical skill.
My overall feeling at dpc is that appeal of the subject matter, or fit to the challenge, slightly beats out technical skill. That's not to say that technically poor photos win the challenge, but I think a lot of times that cutesy shots that are set up to fit a challenge do better over what was probably a more technically difficult shot.
On the other hand, there are a few photographers who I feel are technically very good but practically mechanical in their shots who frequently do better than some of the more original shots.
So I guess I just don't know! |
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08/04/2003 02:35:11 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by tarique:
Yes! I can understand, I regularly engage in flame wars over weekends in programming and technical mailing lists - Great stress buster. Here however I am out of my depth and field so I keep shut ... wonder how long ;) |
I'm out of my depth too - and I've had no sleep!! Sorry DPC! ;) |
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08/04/2003 02:36:11 AM · #16 |
Oops! double post
Message edited by author 2003-08-04 02:37:48.
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08/04/2003 03:35:29 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
do you think the voting on this challenge mostly reflects the skill of photography or the appeal of the subject matter? |
Don't you think that there is a skill in choosing the subject matter, too?
More so in a challenge site like this, the degree of appeal is a vital consideration in a lot of photography. Artsy shots just don't that well here (not in Round, though), a point which has been debated many times in these forums.
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08/04/2003 05:52:41 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Koriyama:
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
do you think the voting on this challenge mostly reflects the skill of photography or the appeal of the subject matter? |
Don't you think that there is a skill in choosing the subject matter, too? |
I do indeed, which is part of my point. I think that voting has been based in this particular challenge mostly on subject matter and not artistic merit. I'm also puzzled by some results - take these two for example:
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=30160 - 18th position
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=30636 - 91st position
Why the vast variation in position? I prefer the Ice Sculpture for subject matter and I just don't get the voting trend here.
I know it's discussed frequently but it doesn't mean these odd voters should get away with it! ;)
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08/04/2003 06:16:48 AM · #19 |
The variation in position from my perspective is simply that they're completely different photos! The fact that they're both of faces seems a pretty small degree of similarity. :-) |
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08/04/2003 06:31:13 AM · #20 |
Now I think you know what I'm getting at! You're even more pedantic than I am! ;)
The similarities are that they contain works of art, feature faces and fill the frame - but you haven't mentioned why you think there's a massive gulf between the scores regardless of the 'lack' of similarity. Any idea?
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08/04/2003 06:37:03 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
Now I think you know what I'm getting at! You're even more pedantic than I am! ;)
The similarities are that they contain works of art, feature faces and fill the frame - but you haven't mentioned why you think there's a massive gulf between the scores regardless of the 'lack' of similarity. Any idea? |
I don't think it's very fair to scrutinise people's work in the forums without them having asked for it.. I think a good number of the comments detail the goods points on each photo and possibly the disparity between them. |
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08/04/2003 06:43:11 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
I don't think it's very fair to scrutinise people's work in the forums without them having asked for it.. I think a good number of the comments detail the goods points on each photo and possibly the disparity between them. |
Well that's a bit timid. I put my work out there to be assessed in a challenge, so I don't really see the difference. What's so upsetting anyway? There's always a lot of back-patting so why not some healthy critique? |
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08/04/2003 06:48:00 AM · #23 |
Jonny's just mad he didn't break a 5.5!
jk Jon! I thought your shot was really good and a very creative angle. Filled the frame very very nicely. I think you just suffered from the "not in focus," crowd who don't understand the concept of DOF being used to highlight the "important" assets in a photo.
Still, I don't think it's that polite to go listing photos that you think don't deserve the scores they got. It seems a little bit like jealousy. It might be nicer to instead take the time to share some of the photos that did inspire you so that perhaps other voters will learn what it is you think is better about them.
As for the topic, I'm not going to venture a guess as to how voting goes on here. I tried for a while but now I'm content just submitting and getting feedback. The voting patterns are most often quite unexplainable. |
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08/04/2003 07:24:43 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by JasonPR:
Jonny's just mad he didn't break a 5.5! It seems a little bit like jealousy. It might be nicer to instead take the time to share some of the photos that did inspire you so that perhaps other voters will learn what it is you think is better about them. |
Good points well made, Jason! In answer to them - yes and yes – of course I'm mad I didn't break 5.5 - I'm mad I didn't break 6.5! :D
You're right about sharing the inspiring pics though, so here are a few I believe should be recognised (apart from the ribbons):
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=29960 - very engaging and striking shot - involves the viewer
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=30714 - great creative twist, lovely textures
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=30765 - very smooth, satisfying composition
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=30763 - despite the dirty shot, very funny and instantly amusing
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=30775 - comments are probably right (too close) but fascinating when you know it's a moth
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08/04/2003 07:39:15 AM · #25 |
I am glad that my photo has given rise to such 'interesting' discussion.
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=30160
BTW John - i gave you a 6...
:-)
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