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08/14/2003 12:48:09 PM · #26 |
| I say -- take some pictures - and move on. |
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08/14/2003 01:02:59 PM · #27 |
I've only been here since July so I'm still a new kid (don't I wish) on the block, but at this point you couldn't pry me away with a crow bar. I love this site!
I'm sure I have learned more here in the few weeks I've been on than I could have learned in a year of photography classes. I've learned by reading and participating in the forums, going through the tutorials and paying attention to comments on my submissions.
I've learned a great deal by looking at other photographer's work. Comparing their highest and lowest scoring photos and reading the comments they received is almost as valuable as getting comments on my own photos. (but not quite.. keep commenting) It will be a loooong time before I outgrow this site.
I think those who speak out about what they don't like about the site are an important part of the community. How do the administrators know what works and doesn't work if they don't hear it from us?
OK, off to think up a better tag line...
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08/14/2003 01:20:47 PM · #28 |
I mistakenly thought I was outgrowing this site but that wasn't it at all. I just needed to step back for a little while. Sure, I was pushing pretty hard for allowing dodging and burning and even though I wish I could do more editing with my photos for my entries I know that most of all it is about the images. As long as there are new and different challenges then I will continue to be motivated. I was a little on the fence for a while but now I feel as inspired as I ever was. Now I just need to make some more time to photograph and to think of better ideas. Like anything else, you get out of it what you put into it.
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08/14/2003 01:22:14 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Originally posted by myqyl:
I think the fear (at least mine) is that in advancing, DPC would lose sight of the begginer... |
What if we ran two challenges the way they are now and the Thursday one the way the advanced users wish for? How is DPC losing sight of the beginner then?
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Actually I think that's where D&L seem to be heading. But like any good leaders, they make transitions slowly and carefully. Some folks just want it all yesterday.
On a side note, I really do think I'm going to have to turn off forums for a while... See you all in the challenges and likely back in the forum in a couple of weeks :)
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08/14/2003 01:42:59 PM · #30 |
one of my main reason for being here is for all the eye candy. woohoo! i'm inspired by the creativity, awed by the skill, and tickled by the humor. in the process, i think i learn a little too. :o)
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08/14/2003 02:02:20 PM · #31 |
If there's one thing I've learned since we first started this site, it's that you can't please everyone. Why this challenge is causing so much controversy is still beyond me -- I still hold that it was a pretty cool idea, and we got the idea from past comments anyway. It's just a challenge. It's not "like the challenge or leave the site"... it's "don't like the challenge? don't participate in it."
Langdon and I are far from against change. Hopefully that can be seen in this ever-changing website we call DPChallenge. The problem is the same as it is always -- you can't please everyone. What we've done in the past and continue to do is to try to appease the masses. When there's been a significant minority on an issue, we've done our best to change for them as well.
It's impossible for us to hear everyone on the site or to read every thread. We rely heavily on the site council to give us a overview of the general opinions on the site. As has always been the case, if anyone would like to take leadership of an issue or movement to gather a collective opinion, we're more than happy to listen.
If you still think I'm wrong and think that the site just sucks, that's fine -- but don't rain on everyone else's parade.
Best,
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08/14/2003 02:10:10 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
What if we ran two challenges the way they are now and the Thursday one the way the advanced users wish for? How is DPC losing sight of the beginner then? |
There's an odd antagonism between all the different sides on the "beginner vs. advanced" focus. It's kinda funny that there are grumblings about the site not advancing enough for some, but when it's been suggested in the past to create split levels of competitions, those advanced folks immediately dismiss the idea with arguements about "you only get better by competing with the best". While I agree to some degree with that idea, why is the attitude of some "everyone has to change (i.e. accept different/new/advanced rules), or I'm gonna take my ball and go home"?
I don't want to see anyone leave. Especially people who have been here since the inception, and have a lot more invested here than I do in my few months I've been around, and have a lot more to give back to those of us still getting our feet wet. But for the most part it's them threatening to leave - I think this thread was probably mostly reactionary: if you want to leave, then leave, no need to poison the well.
BTW, why is this site run like a psuedo-democracy, as far as deciding the rules? The founders obviously hit on a good concept, had enough sense to shape the rules in a way that's been succesfull so far. If the site (and the core members) is ready to expand or grow, why can't they just make that move and let the community fall in behind? Personally, I'd rather see 50 occasional lurkers go away because of expanded rules than see 10 of the core members leave because they're not challenged any more. (Though, again, I'd rather not see anyone leave - and I expect not that many would.)
OK, I'm rambling. Time to go back to work.... |
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08/14/2003 02:21:36 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
If you still think I'm wrong and think that the site just sucks, that's fine -- but don't rain on everyone else's parade. |
I think that quite succinctly summarizes the intent of my original post...
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08/14/2003 02:23:31 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
If you still think I'm wrong and think that the site just sucks, that's fine -- but don't rain on everyone else's parade.
Best,
Drew |
my thoughts exactly. the only thing that will kill dpchallenge is the people that use it, not the site itself. all these constant attacks from the so called advanced users of the site definitely paint a bad picture for newcomers. |
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08/14/2003 04:42:14 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by drewmedia:
If you still think I'm wrong and think that the site just sucks, that's fine -- but don't rain on everyone else's parade.
Best,
Drew |
my thoughts exactly. the only thing that will kill dpchallenge is the people that use it, not the site itself. all these constant attacks from the so called advanced users of the site definitely paint a bad picture for newcomers. |
No one is attacking the site -- if anything the most annoying suggestion is every week when someone suggests mandatory comments for low votes.
I am mostly here because it provides access to a worldwide community of interesting people who all have at least one common interest. That we usually only "meet" through our photos and posts is less important than the constant exposure to new information, ideas, and images.
The challenges keep me on the lookout for interesting things to photograph. Although time and equipment limitations keep me from improving too much technically, I think I usually come up with a relevant if not exciting concept for each challenge.
I think a lot of the grousing lately has to do with scored challenges, and the fact that scores are carried out to 1/10,000 of a point. With the number of entries and votes, I can't see how a difference of less than maybe 0.5 is statistically significant.
After my first few entries where I thought I had a pretty good photo and didn't get a sniff of a six, I decided to mostly ignore the numerical score and concentrate on the few comments I usually get. If just one person is amused or touched by a photograph, then I consider it a "successful" photo.
If we were a photography "club" meeting once/week, I think we'd spend our time discussing more photography-related topics and spend less time sniping at each other -- what goes on in in the forums sometimes wouldn't be tolerated in person (except in the US Congress). I try to not write down anything I wouldn't say to any of you at a meeting or party ...
My own personal fun right now is seeing how the not one, but TWO entries I currently have which were the VERY FIRST submitted to the challenge will do ... I am a notorious procrastinator; in this case I had to include the special note that while the photos were taken after the challenge started, it was still "yesterday" by the camera's local time.
As long as we are trying out some "different" challenges, how about one where the numeric voting is turned off and people will have to put something in the comment box. Even if it's only the score, it would also let us check out if voting is any different when non-anonymous.
I'm off for Southern California for a few days .... |
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08/14/2003 07:57:44 PM · #36 |
my feeling is that if you're going 'leave ths site', then do it - there's no need for fanfare, unless the reason you're really doing it so that people will say 'noooo pleeease, dont goooo, come backkk, we feel guilty, and will cave to whatever you want'.
and if you do say you're going to leave, then have the grace to actually follow through; it kind of shoots down your credibility to make ultimatums without follow-through. makes it look like a ploy, as described in the previous paragraph.
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08/14/2003 08:15:46 PM · #37 |
I came here to WIN!!!! hehe, just kidding... i think.
I came cuz i wanted a place to learn from and interact with other amatuers. It's been loads of fun in the small amount of time I've been here. I could use this thread to argue my point about wanting/needing user reviews, but I won't... pssst! see my thread!
I'll never outgrow this site as long as they don't give me what I want. |
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08/14/2003 08:29:23 PM · #38 |
| I came to learn, compete, and have fun. I think the Past challenge will be an interesting CHALLENGE. That is what this site is about right? Being challenged. If your not being challenged anymore than I think you have out grown the site. |
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08/15/2003 09:04:54 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
I think the fear (at least mine) is that in advancing, DPC would lose sight of the beginner... Would this be the great teaching tool for the newbie if it was re-designed for the 5% that are more advanced?
I'm not answering any questions here, just asking some... |
I am an absolute beginner in photography. To have a an interest for this media never occured to me until 3-4 months ago. As for this site being too advanced for beginners, I dont think so...
To have 'fun' here, you don't need skill to begin with [okay maybe a little]. What you need is the drive to want to compete and to take critism as constructive and not offensive, with enough interest to keep coming back for more.
As for the advanced standards of the photographs, they are just an example of what can be achieved and should encourage beginners to strive forwards. Everyone needs a goal.
*great place btw. =)
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