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10/24/2008 12:00:04 AM · #51 |
| street photography is a very common way but not an easy kind of photography. |
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10/24/2008 12:00:50 AM · #52 |
I need to mastyer this kind of photography.
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10/24/2008 12:25:22 AM · #53 |
| I looked at Henri Cartier-Bresson and I think he would get a 5.5 for any of those images in this challenge. I think they are brilliant, but I think that you will have to go for the emotional factor to score. |
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10/24/2008 12:19:05 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
I looked at Henri Cartier-Bresson and I think he would get a 5.5 for any of those images in this challenge. I think they are brilliant, but I think that you will have to go for the emotional factor to score. |
Lets hope Langdon sneaks one of his shots in there to prove you right. |
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10/24/2008 12:28:21 PM · #55 |
Interesting article I read a few months ago actually speaks to how Henri would do in relation to current photographic styles:
//www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/magazine/27wwln-medium-t.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
(well...actually the article talks about Flickr and its style. Page 2 talks about what happened when Henri's work was posted as a prank.)
Message edited by author 2008-10-24 12:30:14.
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10/24/2008 12:41:00 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
Interesting article ... |
Great read, thanks for posting. The discussion of Flickr style has a ring of truth to it when applied to DPC)
*ducks and hides in a corner* |
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10/24/2008 12:52:39 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:
Originally posted by Citadel:
Interesting article ... |
Great read, thanks for posting. The discussion of Flickr style has a ring of truth to it when applied to DPC)
*ducks and hides in a corner* |
I'd have to agree..interestingly enough the photographer they single out is from Iceland. I know this community is different from Flickr (not just because we compete) but it is interesting to note all the similarities Flickr and DPC have in common.
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10/24/2008 01:25:17 PM · #58 |
| When I hear the work Flickr I think of a dude that flicks boogers. |
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10/24/2008 01:51:34 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
When I hear the work Flickr I think of a dude that flicks boogers. |
Interesting, I always think of a terrible movie.
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10/24/2008 01:57:36 PM · #60 |
Don't be a "flickr" 
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10/25/2008 06:24:59 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I would recommend that anyone who's serious about looking at Street Photography go outside of DPC. There is some great work here but much of it and especially the Top placing images are a little too polished and both feel very authentic.
Street work is really good when it's raw, imo. When the photographer starts bringing a commercial "polished" eye into the process a lot gets lost.
NYC Photobloggers has a few very cool shooters. I might go back and cherry pick my faves when I have the time.
I was glad to see those images ericwoo posted. Boring cliches. Just my opinion but I can't stand them. If you go out and look at...say ten street blogs, you'll see those images are a dime a dozen. It's been done to death and then some, 50 years ago. Old stuff...been there, done that. Not much of a Challenge standing across the street from a glam Ad and waiting 15-20-30 minutes for a contradiction to walk by. "Pretty Young Girl vs. Ugly Old Woman. Homeless people tend to sit or sleep on public benches and right next to or above them are Ads, that usually conflict with their situation. Again...not too original and not so clever after the 300th time you've seen the same shot. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. ;)
The Challenge has potential if people get out there and try something new. There are hundreds of Street Photo sites and blogs to peruse. Check them out and AVOID all the cliches...
There's a lot out there that hasn't been shot.
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I'm SO glad that you said this!!! I was thinking the exact same thing!!! :)
In looking at other street photography sites and techniques, blogs on street photography, THEN, looking at previous challenge winning photos (no disrespect intended as they are fabulous photos!), they did NOT seem to follow the idea that street photography is supposed to achieve. They looked more like poster shots and stock shots, than true street photography shots! Yes, they were of streets, but they failed to live up to the true street photography type of look. They were wonderfully edited "stock shots" of streets or better put, simply great edited eyecandy shots of streets!
I've walked about for hours and taken shot after shot but, in re-looking at the previous winners, they do not match the style of winner in here from previous challenges, BUT DO match street style photography as it's meant to be. Thus, the dilema! Do I enter the shots that will match the DPC "look" that voters seem to head towards every time? Or, do I enter a shot that is truly in line with TRUE Street Photography?
If I stick to Street Photography style, I risk being scored low because I haven't achieved the DPC "look". If I enter a Street Style photography shot as it's classified and looked upon everywhere else, outside of DPC, I'll get creamed score wise but, will have stuck to traditional SP!
What to do? What to do?
Edited to add: One ribboning shot in a previous SP challenge did not even contain any elements or traces of the street! LOL It was wonderfully done though but, it seemed like a shoehorn that got lucky because it was a wonderfully edited shot!????
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10/25/2008 07:51:16 PM · #62 |
Street shots are a tough sell to the DPC crowd, and I'm not sure why. Here's my theory: Folks here (present company included) seem to like drama, instant gratification, the "WOW!" factor. I think that's why images of Victoria's Secret models seducing homeless men win ribbons. Most street photography is subtle. It requires a little bit of work (i.e. more than five to eight seconds) to take the scene in, process and interpret it. For me at least, that's what makes it great fun. And rewarding. Too subtle though, and you get the dreaded  pawdrix "Why are you showing me this person?" comment (!).
I'm not speaking as any expert -- far from it. Street photography is tough, but it's 95% of what I've been shooting over the past few months. I'm learning a lot and having fun. Hence my silly side challenge which is probably responsible for the challenge announcement. The timing is suspect. In any case, a lot of folks got some practice as a result, so look for some good images next week.
I've gotten some favorable feedback on these:
    
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10/25/2008 08:32:59 PM · #63 |
Post cancelled/posted in wrong forum.
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10/25/2008 08:36:41 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by bvy:
Street shots are a tough sell to the DPC crowd, and I'm not sure why. Here's my theory: Folks here (present company included) seem to like drama, instant gratification, the "WOW!" factor. I think that's why images of Victoria's Secret models seducing homeless men win ribbons.
Too subtle though, and you get the dreaded pawdrix "Why are you showing me this person?" comment (!). |
LOL...and the funny thing is that that's my way of being nice. It's better than me leaving "Zzzzzz", right?
Hopefully there is some reason behind a shot. For example, if someone takes an image of a person walking down the street I'll look for a reason why the photographer chose to shoot and show me an image of that particular person, out of so many. We all see hundreds/thousands of people walking down the street so why show me one more person strolling unless there's something interesting about them? Even if there's something small or remotely different that's a fair request if you're asking someone to take time to look at your work. Give them a gander.
I agree with you when you note that commercial images or ones that have commercial images will bode well with the voters. Having a commercial image...or a Victoria Secret Ad in the background is almost cheating in a sense since it's dangerously close to taking a picture of existing art. Especially the Victoria Secret Ads because most of the regular world and people that walks past those posters are in direct contrast with image. Huge contrast.
Now, take a picture of ten awesome model-like people, standing in front of a huge image of a Homeless guy in lingerie and that would be something. LOL.
Street Photography is best when it's raw and has close immediacy, which goes against the grain of the core elements that are taught on this site (though there are many exceptions). In fact, I might go as far as to say that people here are indirectly taught to dislike the style of Street Photography and it's not-so-smooth techniques. The images I like are pretty pure, unpolished and certainly not commercial. If you're shooting in the shadows...crank up the ISO. It's not an issue unless your subject or meaning don't come through. I assume you get my drift?
 
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10/25/2008 08:45:16 PM · #65 |
I think I have a decent entry, but this challenge will be VERY different to vote on. It may be one worth the effort of a 100% commenting.
I'm rooting for  Melethia. This is totally her element. |
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10/25/2008 08:55:49 PM · #66 |
I'm in for Street. I expect to do middle of the road, much like my last Street II entry.
Street Photography is really fickle, tough to get something meaningful. |
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10/25/2008 09:03:56 PM · #67 |
I agree that Melethia will probably take it or come dang close. I have a kinda sorta street shot, cause I was in the nearest thriving metropolis earlier this week, but nothing really special.
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10/25/2008 09:05:42 PM · #68 |
ROFLMAO.....I am on the proverbial FLOOR, laughing right now, bvy!!!!! I went to take a peek at Pawdrix's comments and I have to say that it seems that we'd better keep him full of caffeine for the Street Challenge. Steve...it seems that I'd better re-think why I've got a shot now, lest you ask me why I have showed you a picture of someone! Or, why you are seeing 13 people at a bus stop (Melethia's shot)!!! *ROFLMAO...WINK, GRIN, CHUCKLE*!!!
Ok, gotta stop laughing! Sides hurt!!!
I do agree bvy though that it's a tough type of photography to do, let alone enter into this site. There is such a variety of tastes that it's hard to know what will do the trick and what won't. And, I agree with you that a photo HAS to have an "in your face WOW Factor" for DPC voters to love it. That's a problem though because oftentimes, it means that less challenge criteria suited shots will be pushed aside in favor of a magically edited shoehorned entry, simply because it has been edited with a dazzle factor....the proverbial "eye candy" look.
Great points! :)
Edited to add:
"Street Photography is best when it's raw and has close immediacy, which goes against the grain of the core elements that are taught on this site (though there are many exceptions). In fact, I might go as far as to say that people here are indirectly taught to dislike the style of Street Photography and it's not-so-smooth techniques. The images I like are pretty pure, unpolished and certainly not commercial. If you're shooting in the shadows...crank up the ISO. It's not an issue unless your subject or meaning don't come through. I assume you get my drift?" (quoted from bvy)
I edited to mention the points that you make here as well. I totally agree with you that once we have been in DPC for awhile, we ARE "trained" to like certain looks and dislike all of the rest for the most part. I also like the "rougher, unpolished" look to street photography because it's part of REALITY! All of these nicely edited and polished, beautiful shots of landscapes, FIT the landscape scenes very nicely. However, people and life are not so "clean, clear or polished"...unless, of course, they made up with make-up and fashion, lighting and whatever else is needed to downplay their HUMAN bodies and faces.
And, yes, I totally get your drift! (Nicely said by the way!) There are NO commercial backdrops in any of the shots that I have thus far for this challenge and likely won't be so, that may put MINE out of the running. However, I WILL "crank up" the ISO! *smile*
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10/25/2008 09:15:42 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
I think I have a decent entry, but this challenge will be VERY different to vote on. It may be one worth the effort of a 100% commenting.
I'm rooting for Melethia. This is totally her element. |
I agree!!! :) |
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10/25/2008 09:18:09 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
I agree that Melethia will probably take it or come dang close. I have a kinda sorta street shot, cause I was in the nearest thriving metropolis earlier this week, but nothing really special. |
Good luck, Susan!!! Rooting for you too as I know that you're not exactly in the middle of a large urban center to get these shots, are you so, it makes it much more of an effort to get a shot that you like and can use. Hat's off to you for making the attempt and fingers crossed for ALL of us! Heaven knows what the voters are going to want to see this time around. SIGH |
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10/25/2008 09:20:34 PM · #71 |
| Nothing like a little pressure on poor Melethia is there?! *wink* Seems that we're putting our bets into her to come up with a dazzling street shot now!!! Sorry Melethia...just looking forward to seeing your entry! *smile* |
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10/25/2008 11:29:05 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Edited to add:
"Street Photography is best when it's raw and has close immediacy, which goes against the grain of the core elements that are taught on this site (though there are many exceptions). In fact, I might go as far as to say that people here are indirectly taught to dislike the style of Street Photography and it's not-so-smooth techniques. The images I like are pretty pure, unpolished and certainly not commercial. If you're shooting in the shadows...crank up the ISO. It's not an issue unless your subject or meaning don't come through. I assume you get my drift?" (quoted from bvy pawdrix)
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Those final points are good ones, but I can't take credit for them.
I will take the opportunity, though, to mention that had I done some research a long time ago, I could have saved myself some time in learning the tricks of the trade. Things like cranking up the ISO, I learned "organically" -- i.e. by trial and error. So you get a little grain when you crank the ISO. Does the message come through? Is it a shot you otherwise wouldn't have gotten? A little grit can add impact, so who cares, right?
The bottom line is that good street photography goes against everything that makes a ribbon. |
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10/26/2008 01:46:07 AM · #73 |
Guys, I love all the encouragement, but I'll probably disappoint. I have a ton of shots. I have some I really like. I have no clue what to enter in this particular challenge, though.
Steve offers excellent advice - not just for this challenge (oh, the pressure!) but for shooting in general. Not just "street", but every day. A lot of what I shoot is just for me - to remember times, places; to just "see" through the camera.
I do promise that I'll try to stick in something at least marginally interesting. I have one or two that I looked at with an eye toward "DPC voting" but they didn't make the cut. :-)
On the plus side, I am quite flattered that some of you think this is my "thing" - that totally makes my day more than getting a good score in the challenge would, so thanks very much! (And if you check back in this thread, I posted a number of other folks - not all inclusive by any means - who do awesome "street" work. Check out their portfolios!) |
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10/26/2008 02:01:11 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
I'm in for Street. I expect to do middle of the road, much like my last Street II entry.
Street Photography is really fickle, tough to get something meaningful. |
And much like the wildlife photogs lament, it's tough to get something in a week, too. I suspect your entry will be one that I'll like, Jayson.
And as a PS, for those of you who've been working to get something for this challenge, you owe it to yourself (and your fellow photogs) to take your time voting this challenge. Find the story (there's always a story). Share it in a comment if you wish. Mostly just enjoy the whole "seeing" aspect of it all.
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10/26/2008 04:56:31 AM · #75 |
I'm in for Street Photography III, at present I am in a rut with the voting so expect a mid 4 low 5 again, I find it strange that so many images are being shown Pryor to the challenge regarding subject matter, and what is or is not available. Is this the way to a better score by discussing the theme of the challenge to give viewers an idea before rollover?.
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