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04/16/2013 05:42:28 PM · #76 |
To me, this is one of the most emotive shots of the day. Wouldn't surprise me if it won a press photographers award.
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04/16/2013 05:54:39 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by JH:
To me, this is one of the most emotive shots of the day. Wouldn't surprise me if it won a press photographers award.
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Here's a series that are just heavy man.
Graphic warning - these are very, very bad photos - honestly, don't click this unless you are fully prepared to see the reality of this attack.
I expect that at least one or more of these will become the poster image for this attack. I suspect the one of the man in the wheel chair missing most of his legs will become the iconic image. |
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04/16/2013 06:03:11 PM · #78 |
| Listening to NPR and global reaction to the images, and what the world seems most impressed with is that when the bombs went off, people ran towards the explosion to help the victims rather than running away to keep themselves safe. |
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04/16/2013 06:04:59 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Listening to NPR and global reaction to the images, and what the world seems most impressed with is that when the bombs went off, people ran towards the explosion to help the victims rather than running away to keep themselves safe. |
I suspect Americans will always be the sort to run in, rather than run away - it's just our culture. |
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04/16/2013 06:08:53 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Looks like a pressure cooker bomb. If you have bought a pressure cooker lately, don't throw it out. |
Soon legislation will be proposed in congress to ban pressure cookers... |
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04/16/2013 06:21:50 PM · #81 |
| Having been in Iraq and seeing how IED's are placed. If an IED goes off the safest place to be (in alot of cases but not always) is there helping the injured. Most people will run the second or third blast in alot of cases catch the people trying to evacuate the area. However, Americans do tend to run to the people that need help. |
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04/16/2013 06:28:56 PM · #82 |
my heart goes out to all that are hurt
Message edited by author 2013-04-16 18:30:57. |
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04/16/2013 06:49:06 PM · #83 |
| On BBC Breaking News; "Letter sent to US Senate office tests positive for the poison ricin" - Didn't the anthrax thing happen in the wake of 9/11 ? - Hope this is an isolated incident. |
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04/16/2013 06:50:46 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by Mike:
so long as punishment isn't dealt in anger, what is so wrong with an "eye for an eye" for the more heinous crimes? surely allowing you to live the rest of your life in a cell isn't fair to the society that no longer wants you yet still has to care for you. |
The biblical quote "an eye for an eye" is a limitation, not a recipe for justice. It describes the greatest limit.
When killers plan to kill, then isolate and immobilize their victims, we call it murder with special circumstances. When the government does it we call it the death penalty. It is 10 times more expensive to kill them than keep them for life. and we get it wrong sometimes, look at the Innocence Project or watch Ken Burn's show on the central park 5 tonight and you will see that certainty is not always so certain.
As for the truly guilty, rotting in prison forever does not seem so merciful to me, many wish to die. Let them rot and think on their crimes as long as they live. If they see the error of their ways, that is good, it changes noting but remorse is better. If they don't, so what. A quick death is too good for them. Like the old joke goes;
Masochist says to the sadist "Beat me! hurt me!"
Sadist says "No." |
sorry Brennan, but execution is very, very cheap. You can buy a bullet for a few cents, and a peace of rope can be reused many, many times, and that is the real cost of execution, everything else is not the cost, but waste of money.
getting it wrong is not the Death penalty problem, getting it wrong is just an example how US Justice system is a total failure.
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and as someone else pointed out... having a hotel room , and more rights than a "free" person...not to mention library, internet, nutritionist, medical care...and so on...came on, someone has to pay for all that...for a long , long time .....that sounds like a punishment to a hard working people and victim family.
and since you brought up Marquis De Sade, don't forget that masochist like to be tortured for a long time, that would make an imprisonment a reward....wouldn't it? |
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04/16/2013 07:00:18 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by rooum:
my heart goes out to all that are hurt |
+1 anyway, and after seeing the images in that link  Cory posted (don't look if you're squeamish), +12ty billion. |
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04/16/2013 07:16:22 PM · #86 |
| I wish I never opened that page that Cory linked to. Normally, I'm not squeemish at all, but I got to the 3rd picture and had to close the window. Just too horrific. |
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04/16/2013 07:21:12 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by Basta:
and since you brought up Marquis De Sade, don't forget that masochist like to be tortured for a long time, that would make an imprisonment a reward....wouldn't it? |
As someone who has actually read a lot of the Marquis De Sade's writings, you've kind of completely missed the point (and his history). Not that i'm recommending reading them-don't, they are boring as hell. |
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04/16/2013 07:28:35 PM · #88 |
| Though, saying that, judging by some of the comments in this thread and, i guess, wider society, Sade's writings would be of interest. Irony etc |
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04/16/2013 07:31:28 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by rooum:
Originally posted by Basta:
and since you brought up Marquis De Sade, don't forget that masochist like to be tortured for a long time, that would make an imprisonment a reward....wouldn't it? |
As someone who has actually read a lot of the Marquis De Sade's writings, you've kind of completely missed the point (and his history). Not that i'm recommending reading them-don't, they are boring as hell. |
You are correct, as to what he was about. I tried reading some of his short stories 30 years ago, and I'll take your word that his writing didn't get any better ...lol... but we know what the modern culture masochist is. Not much to do with original , but it is what it is. |
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04/16/2013 07:37:23 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by Basta:
Originally posted by rooum:
Originally posted by Basta:
and since you brought up Marquis De Sade, don't forget that masochist like to be tortured for a long time, that would make an imprisonment a reward....wouldn't it? |
As someone who has actually read a lot of the Marquis De Sade's writings, you've kind of completely missed the point (and his history). Not that i'm recommending reading them-don't, they are boring as hell. |
You are correct, as to what he was about. I tried reading some of his short stories 30 years ago, and I'll take your word that his writing didn't get any better ...lol... but we know what the modern culture masochist is. Not much to do with original , but it is what it is. |
All true. But, forgetting what his name turned into, and the connotations's of that, what he wrote about was society and power structures and such. Interesting stuff that still apply until this day. And i'd say quite relevant to some of the discussions in this thread. |
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04/16/2013 08:16:33 PM · #91 |
| And yea, to be all pedantic about it- history has developed him as a sadist- not a masochist- the clue is in the name dude. |
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04/16/2013 08:27:46 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by rooum:
And yea, to be all pedantic about it- history has developed him as a sadist- not a masochist- the clue is in the name dude. |
there is about 40 minutes between your last two posts....
did you just spend 40 minutes figuring that out,..... dude? |
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04/16/2013 08:35:25 PM · #93 |
Ha! No, i do have other stuff to do! I just noticed it as i went back to it.
But, really, the whole thing is not something i really want to continue. As i'm sure you'd agree. Seems silly in light of everything. |
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04/16/2013 09:39:15 PM · #94 |
Reminds me of a rather lame joke. What did the masochist say to the sadist?
Masochist: Hit me! Hit me!
Sadist: No. |
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04/16/2013 09:51:10 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Reminds me of a rather lame joke. What did the masochist say to the sadist?
Masochist: Hit me! Hit me!
Sadist: No. |
a little late on the yanko attempt. |
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04/16/2013 10:25:41 PM · #96 |
Oh holy hell, those ARE graphic images. I think those should be plastered all over all the TV and newspapers, Why sugar coat crap like this, get it out so people like me who didn't grasp the HORROR of those SICK terrorist that did this makes you mad enough to get off your butt and do something!!
Thanks Corey for posting that wake up call... |
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04/16/2013 10:27:32 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by littlemav:
Oh holy hell, those ARE graphic images. I think those should be plastered all over all the TV and newspapers, Why sugar coat crap like this, get it out so people like me who didn't grasp the HORROR of those SICK terrorist that did this makes you mad enough to get off your butt and do something!!
Thanks Corey for posting that wake up call... |
Extremely pleased it was received as it was intended.
Just be aware that doing something can be far worse than doing nothing, if the something is the wrong something. - Food for thought.
Message edited by author 2013-04-16 22:32:29. |
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04/16/2013 10:39:25 PM · #98 |
Well, it wasn't a backpack or a garbage can.
Looks like an over-size wino's bag.
Although, I'm not convinced that was actually the device, blast pattern isn't quite right for that location.
Message edited by author 2013-04-16 22:40:35. |
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04/16/2013 11:07:36 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Well, it wasn't a backpack or a garbage can.
Looks like an over-size wino's bag.
Although, I'm not convinced that was actually the device, blast pattern isn't quite right for that location. |
That's a sturdy mailbox. |
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04/16/2013 11:11:09 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Cory:
Well, it wasn't a backpack or a garbage can.
Looks like an over-size wino's bag.
Although, I'm not convinced that was actually the device, blast pattern isn't quite right for that location. |
That's a sturdy mailbox. |
And more interestingly, the barrier fence seems to be wrapped around it - indicating a blast from behind the barrier, not from in front. |
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