Sensor cleaning: Eclipse vs. tape. The results

03/04/2011 03:09:14 PM · #27

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Iâ��m available for questions. :)

If either of these methods you are advocating hurt my sensor are you willing to pay the repair bills to have it done the correct way by the manufacturer or replace any damaged components? I don't see any disclaimers in your post covering your butt, so I assume you will.

:p

"Everyone here is big enough to make their own choices."

If you want a quick answer, it is "no". :)

I tend to take after the European model of tourist sites. If you were dumb enough to fall off the roof of Notre Dame, a sign wasn't going to help you. :)

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

03/04/2011 04:22:14 PM · #28

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Iâ��m available for questions. :)

If either of these methods you are advocating hurt my sensor are you willing to pay the repair bills to have it done the correct way by the manufacturer or replace any damaged components? I don't see any disclaimers in your post covering your butt, so I assume you will.

:p

"Everyone here is big enough to make their own choices."

If you want a quick answer, it is "no". :)

I tend to take after the European model of tourist sites. If you were dumb enough to fall off the roof of Notre Dame, a sign wasn't going to help you. :)

LOL, awesome... Absolutely true!

MattO

Nikon D4

03/04/2011 07:39:31 PM · #29

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

That is all good a well Doc, but I was just suggesting you CYA on your post. That idea won't fly should some Court decide to make an example of you. This is the age of Sue happy people. I seem to remember a large settlement because McDonald's didn't warn her that her coffee was hot and she spilled it in her lap.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

03/04/2011 08:04:24 PM · #30

Ya, I know Matt. I appreciate the warning. I'll put some boilerplate stuff up there.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

03/04/2011 08:18:52 PM · #31

Originally posted by MattO:

Not to hijack this thread or anything, but that was a righteous lawsuit. The woman was grievously damaged. McDonalds was holding its coffee at a temperature making it unsafe for humans, and there had been over 700 previous examples of consumers suffering serious burns as a result.

People always hold this suit up as an example of "frivolous", yet it's anything but. The woman was hospitalized. She had to have grafts. She tried to settle for $20K, but McDonalds refused.

//www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

R.

Message edited by author 2011-03-04 20:19:01.

sjhuls

Canon EOS-7D

03/04/2011 08:43:31 PM · #32

This was an extremely helpful thread. Thanks for the info :)

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

03/04/2011 08:43:47 PM · #33

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by MattO:
That is all good a well Doc, but I was just suggesting you CYA on your post. That idea won't fly should some Court decide to make an example of you. This is the age of Sue happy people. I seem to remember a large settlement because McDonald's didn't warn her that her coffee was hot and she spilled it in her lap.

Not to hijack this thread or anything, but that was a righteous lawsuit. The woman was grievously damaged. McDonalds was holding its coffee at a temperature making it unsafe for humans, and there had been over 700 previous examples of consumers suffering serious burns as a result.

People always hold this suit up as an example of "frivolous", yet it's anything but. The woman was hospitalized. She had to have grafts. She tried to settle for $20K, but McDonalds refused.

//www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

R.

I think the real problem is with the AMOUNT of the settlement, not the facts of the case. I can appreciate much better than most exactly how horrible burns are (my best friend was involved in a horrible burn incident, with 80% 3rd degree burns, essentially a death sentence that he has, so far, managed to live through, and years later it is still horrible for him), but none the less, the amount of the settlement was simply ludicrous... And that is, of course, only one of MANY examples of perfectly fine lawsuits that resulted in disproportionate settlements (anything involving music piracy is usually a good example)

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

03/04/2011 09:30:52 PM · #34

Originally posted by coryboehne:

I think the real problem is with the AMOUNT of the settlement, not the facts of the case.

I hear ya, but do bear in mind that McDonalds behaved like jackasses in this suit; they never accepted responsibility, tried every which way they could to discredit the plaintiff, used every dirty trick in the lawyers' bag, threw grotesque amounts of money away trying to escape responsibility for this, and the jury wanted to send a message. Can't say as I blame them...

R.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

03/04/2011 09:33:26 PM · #35

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by coryboehne:

I think the real problem is with the AMOUNT of the settlement, not the facts of the case.

I hear ya, but do bear in mind that McDonalds behaved like jackasses in this suit; they never accepted responsibility, tried every which way they could to discredit the plaintiff, used every dirty trick in the lawyers' bag, threw grotesque amounts of money away trying to escape responsibility for this, and the jury wanted to send a message. Can't say as I blame them...

R.

I think one of the more egregious examples is this settlement..

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

03/04/2011 09:36:03 PM · #36

Time to let this go back on track I think, Cory :-) You/we can always start another thread on egregious lawsuits...

Back to you, Doc!

R.

03/04/2011 10:01:17 PM · #37

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Time to let this go back on track I think, Cory :-) You/we can always start another thread on egregious lawsuits...

Back to you, Doc!

R.

LOL, yes, the good Doctor must be in his lab, doing evil-laboratory things to that poor sensor filter.

PapaBob

03/04/2011 10:30:06 PM · #38

I may try the tape, still scares me a little, my only concern has been tape tearing and leaving a small piece behind but it sounds like the tape you use is good enough quality to be a little more easily removed intact.

FYI, making McDonalds put a warning on the cup did not work I still spilled in it my lap while driving, the warning should say "do not drive while drinking hot Coffee". I really doubt less people have been injured because of the label!

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

03/04/2011 11:12:42 PM · #39

I was going to borrow some canned air from work, but I forgot. Dang. I'll have to do that early next week. I can try some of the contaminated qtips, although I have no way to make sure one dirt is clay versus silica, etc. I'm not sure I have any sand around here.

RayEthier

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

03/05/2011 12:36:27 AM · #40

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Iâ��m available for questions. :)

If either of these methods you are advocating hurt my sensor are you willing to pay the repair bills to have it done the correct way by the manufacturer or replace any damaged components? I don't see any disclaimers in your post covering your butt, so I assume you will.

:p

"Everyone here is big enough to make their own choices."

If you want a quick answer, it is "no". :)

I tend to take after the European model of tourist sites. If you were dumb enough to fall off the roof of Notre Dame, a sign wasn't going to help you. :)

I hear you on that one Doc. I saw this warning on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls

and wondered aloud... YA THINK.

Ray

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

03/05/2011 12:57:10 AM · #41

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I would do that last, since it should destroy the plate..

Instead of sand, just use some good old fashioned dirt, clay usually is the major component of fine dust that settles from the air, but can be found in any body of water that is slow moving.. I do gather you might have limestone? A bit of metal would be good, I suggest your keys, then a nail.

But, I would do the canned air first..

Adz

Nikon D80

03/05/2011 09:06:10 AM · #42

While on this topic, how do you guys clean your lenses? I'm just using a lens cloth on the front element but haven't touched the back yet.

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

03/05/2011 09:27:08 AM · #43

Originally posted by adamelliott111:

While on this topic, how do you guys clean your lenses? I'm just using a lens cloth on the front element but haven't touched the back yet.

Blow/brush away large particles first. Then, three drops of Eclipse fluid on a Pec pad. Wait 5 seconds. Wipe gently in a circular manner from the center of the front element to the outside. Lifting action. Less is more. I think residue problems come from using too much Eclipse fluid and the wrong wiping material. Back elements are more difficult to access, but can be cleaned. They just don't need cleaning as much, if ever.

Being set in my ways, I don't think I'll ever be "brave" enough to use duct tape for lens or sensor cleaning.

I've used the CopperHill method for more than 4 years and it has served me well.

Message edited by author 2011-03-05 09:29:47.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

03/05/2011 11:32:46 AM · #44

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Iâ��m available for questions. :)

If either of these methods you are advocating hurt my sensor are you willing to pay the repair bills to have it done the correct way by the manufacturer or replace any damaged components? I don't see any disclaimers in your post covering your butt, so I assume you will.

:p

"Everyone here is big enough to make their own choices."

If you want a quick answer, it is "no". :)

I tend to take after the European model of tourist sites. If you were dumb enough to fall off the roof of Notre Dame, a sign wasn't going to help you. :)

I hear you on that one Doc. I saw this warning on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls and wondered aloud... YA THINK.

Ray

Here's a funny one from Point Vicente in California:

sjhuls

Canon EOS-7D

03/07/2011 04:15:20 PM · #45

I wish I would have taken a before picture, but here is one taken a few weeks ago. I darkened it to emphasize the sensor dust. And you can only see half of the sensor dust, since the other part is mountains and sensor dust doesn't show up against that.

03/07/2011 04:22:10 PM · #46

Originally posted by sjhuls:

Just tried both the canned air and the Magic Scotch Tape method with very good results. I wore plastic gloves just to make sure no skin particles adhered to the tape or fell onto the sensor while cleaning. I do have one stubborn spot that has been there for months now before I tried any cleaning methods and it won't seem to budge I am starting to wonder if it is a scratch.

Here is a picture I took of the clouds, it looks like I may have missed a couple minor dust specs but its that one in the center right that is bugging me the most and I can't seem to get rid of it.

I wish I would have taken a before picture, but here is one taken a few weeks ago. I darkened it to emphasize the sensor dust. And you can only see half of the sensor dust, since the other part is mountains and sensor dust doesn't show up against that.

'Tis no scratch, just crap.. Perhaps this will require a wet cleaning. I have seen images from a scratched sensor, and it was clear as can be that it was a scratch, very linear and long, whereas this looks just like particulate crap.... Also note that a hair looks quite a bit like a scratch..

sjhuls

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

03/07/2011 04:27:31 PM · #47

Originally posted by coryboehne:

Thanks good to know it's not a scratch. Now how to get rid of it.

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

03/07/2011 05:20:09 PM · #48

Originally posted by sjhuls:

Originally posted by coryboehne:

'Tis no scratch, just crap.. Perhaps this will require a wet cleaning. I have seen images from a scratched sensor, and it was clear as can be that it was a scratch, very linear and long, whereas this looks just like particulate crap.... Also note that a hair looks quite a bit like a scratch..

Thanks good to know it's not a scratch. Now how to get rid of it.

Copperhill method. Accept no substitutes for Eclipse fluid and Pec Pads. Basic Kit.

Message edited by author 2011-03-07 17:21:50.