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01/20/2012 01:56:57 AM · #1 |
Do a Google search and you'll see him react to the question. I think it was a fair reaction since his personal life IMO has little to do with how he would act as president (Others may feel differently). However, I do take issue with how many republicans cheered as he reacted as I'm sure many of them are the same that reacted with disgust when former presidential candidates and presidents had made 'poor family choices' and used these as ways to discredit their rivals. The mentality as I see it is: "It's horrible and a disgrace when they (Liberals/Democrats) do something like this...but when we (Conservative/Republicans) do it you should be ashamed of yourself for bringing it up."
I think it's a shame it had to come up in a presidential debate but if you can't take the heat tactfully, then don't dish it out. I'm not an American, I don't get to vote in the elections, but I hope Obama wins. Ron Paul has some great ideas for change but I think the changes would be fast and quick and without enough time for Americans to adapt to...but I don't know, I'm certainly not a political expert. |
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01/20/2012 02:02:41 AM · #2 |
While I agree that such matters should not be a defining point of a candidate, if Newt intends to run in a party that pretends to protect Christian morality, he has no right to be upset when they say ....so how many wives HAVE you had...?" Considering he was on the commission to lead the impeachment hearings for Clinton, it's curious that he has ANY objection about the sanctity of marriage, an issue central to Republicans today. Know your base.
ETA: This is also why Giuliani facaed a tough road.
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01/20/2012 02:59:38 AM · #3 |
| Newt's marital peccadilloes are the least of your problems. Doesn't the fact that he is also apparently batshit crazy bother anyone? But I suppose it's hard to tell in his present company: I have seen the contenders on TV and they all appear to be mentally unhinged. I suppose the explanation must be that the GOP is in conspiracy with someone (?) to ensure that Obama remains President, but surely they should not be making it so absurdly obvious? |
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01/20/2012 03:11:23 AM · #4 |
from a non involved point of view what i heard of it on the radio over here and the analysis by the bbc america correspondent was hes a known womaniser, 3rd wife, yeah ok its not really important and its stinks of a bitter ex wife lets move on and look at what really matters......
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01/20/2012 07:00:35 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Newt's marital peccadilloes are the least of your problems. Doesn't the fact that he is also apparently batshit crazy bother anyone? But I suppose it's hard to tell in his present company: I have seen the contenders on TV and they all appear to be mentally unhinged. I suppose the explanation must be that the GOP is in conspiracy with someone (?) to ensure that Obama remains President, but surely they should not be making it so absurdly obvious? |
I agree on the batshit crazy part. But I think they all really think they're contenders. The worst part is, there are so many stupid americans that they actually stand a chance. And that's the really scary part. |
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01/20/2012 07:11:20 AM · #6 |
Lets just end this idiocy, just pick Romney, he is the only one that has any real shot to beat Obama.
Why are we wasting so much time on this? the republicans need to quit pandering to their "base" and pick the one who has the best shot to get the moderate vote.
Message edited by author 2012-01-20 07:23:41. |
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01/20/2012 07:17:13 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
from a non involved point of view what i heard of it on the radio over here and the analysis by the bbc america correspondent was hes a known womaniser, 3rd wife, yeah ok its not really important and its stinks of a bitter ex wife lets move on and look at what really matters...... |
The whole "many divorcees" does not even scratch the surface of Newt's misogyny. |
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01/20/2012 09:12:42 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Lets just end this idiocy, just pick Romney, he is the only one that has any real shot to beat Obama.
Why are we wasting so much time on this? the republicans need to quit pandering to their "base" and pick the one who has the best shot to get the moderate vote. |
Without the money from their "base" they wouldn't stand a chance. |
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01/20/2012 09:27:14 AM · #9 |
First, let me say that I would never call myself a Republican... *or* a Democrat! What I cannot believe is the Republican party falling all over themselves jostling for the position of "who's furthest to the Right?"
It seems all they care about is toeing the party line. Even in the face of all that we've been through the past decade and the dire need for bi-partisan *action* we cannot get these guys to see further than their noses! Makes me want to puke.
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01/20/2012 09:33:23 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
What I cannot believe is the Republican party falling all over themselves jostling for the position of "who's furthest to the Right?"
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i agree, and its the point of my post...WHY??? you aren't going to win a general election with that mindset so why even bother going through this carnival?
and yes i see that money is involved, but the donors have to know they are wasting their money too, either that or they are so rich they dont care... |
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01/20/2012 09:34:14 AM · #11 |
it's about time CNN got slammed
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01/20/2012 09:36:31 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by kirbic:
What I cannot believe is the Republican party falling all over themselves jostling for the position of "who's furthest to the Right?"
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i agree, and its the point of my post...WHY??? you aren't going to win a general election with that mindset so why even bother going through this carnival?
and yes i see that money is involved, but the donors have to know they are wasting their money too, either that or they are so rich they dont care... |
There ya go! |
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01/20/2012 09:42:13 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
First, let me say that I would never call myself a Republican... *or* a Democrat! What I cannot believe is the Republican party falling all over themselves jostling for the position of "who's furthest to the Right?"
It seems all they care about is toeing the party line. Even in the face of all that we've been through the past decade and the dire need for bi-partisan *action* we cannot get these guys to see further than their noses! Makes me want to puke. |
starting to think nobody cares about the people maybe your right.
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01/20/2012 10:24:38 AM · #14 |
The sheer hypocrisy of Newt, persecuting Clinton for extramarital affairs, while engaging in the very same acts, no to mention his own personal disregard for the sanctity of marriage- should tell Republican and Democrat alike boatloads about his character.
I am personally enjoying the "clown show" that is the Republican debates, and the political suicide for the GOP it ushers forth. |
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01/20/2012 10:36:42 AM · #15 |
| Politics isn't about the people anymore, it's about getting sponsorship (i.e. money) from corporations, PACs and other wealthy donors in exchange for favors while in office. |
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01/20/2012 10:54:02 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
The sheer hypocrisy of Newt, persecuting Clinton for extramarital affairs, while engaging in the very same acts, no to mention his own personal disregard for the sanctity of marriage- should tell Republican and Democrat alike boatloads about his character.
I am personally enjoying the "clown show" that is the Republican debates, and the political suicide for the GOP it ushers forth. |
It's called the "do as I say, not as I do" syndrome. It's a by product of being very rich. |
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01/20/2012 11:10:38 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
The sheer hypocrisy of Newt, persecuting Clinton for extramarital affairs, while engaging in the very same acts, no to mention his own personal disregard for the sanctity of marriage- should tell Republican and Democrat alike boatloads about his character.
I am personally enjoying the "clown show" that is the Republican debates, and the political suicide for the GOP it ushers forth. |
Someone asked me today if I watched the GOP debate last night. I said, "I'm alive, aren't I?" Hopefully they correctly inferred that I probably would have killed myself had I done so. |
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01/20/2012 03:16:54 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Politics isn't about the people anymore... |
It never has been. The makeup of the vote-buyers has changed somewhat (corporations are in control now) but the average American has never had much influence on who gets elected to national office this country. Every now and then things look a little better than they might have at some previous snapshot of time, but the overwhelming, historical picture is that "we the people" are owned. Make no mistake about it.
It has never been any different except in degree, not even in the time of the founding fathers.
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01/20/2012 05:03:29 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
While I agree that such matters should not be a defining point of a candidate, if Newt intends to run in a party that pretends to protect Christian morality, he has no right to be upset when they say ....so how many wives HAVE you had...?" Considering he was on the commission to lead the impeachment hearings for Clinton, it's curious that he has ANY objection about the sanctity of marriage, an issue central to Republicans today. Know your base.
ETA: This is also why Giuliani facaed a tough road. |
Just for some clarity, I don't think Newt is really presenting himself as a defender of Christian values. I would have put that much more in the camp of Santorum or Perry. I'm sure he's happy to get their votes, but he doesn't invoke religious phrasology and doesn't idenify with the common man through his religion.
We need to repeat to ourselves over and over again, "Christian does not necessarily mean Republican. Republican does not necessarily mean Christian."
Message edited by author 2012-01-20 17:04:42. |
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01/20/2012 05:56:00 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
it's about time CNN got slammed |
Whatever for... they didn't make the news up, they simply reported it.
The creator of the news is Newt. Rather sad to see behaviour of this type from someone who spouts Christian values.
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01/20/2012 06:07:25 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Just for some clarity, I don't think Newt is really presenting himself as a defender of Christian values. |
I have no idea if you watched any of the debates Doc, but I have watched every single one of them and every single one of the candidates seemingly try to outdo each other regarding who is the most conservative, pro-religion, anti-gay and the list goes on.
Personally, I prefer candidates who like to deal with fiscal and social issues, defence matters and other similar matters and leave the religious and sexual issues to the individuals.
Ray |
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01/20/2012 06:35:28 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
...every single one of the candidates seemingly try to outdo each other regarding who is the most conservative, pro-religion, anti-gay and the list goes on... |
Yep. It's simply astounding, and disgusting at the same time.
Message edited by author 2012-01-20 18:35:45.
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01/20/2012 06:42:07 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Just for some clarity, I don't think Newt is really presenting himself as a defender of Christian values. |
I have no idea if you watched any of the debates Doc, but I have watched every single one of them and every single one of the candidates seemingly try to outdo each other regarding who is the most conservative, pro-religion, anti-gay and the list goes on.
Personally, I prefer candidates who like to deal with fiscal and social issues, defence matters and other similar matters and leave the religious and sexual issues to the individuals.
Ray |
No, I didn't watch any of the debates. You've noticed there seems to be very little of quality found within. But still, I listen to the news and read it and Gingrich does not strike me as a "religious candidate" like Perry or Santorum or Bachman. I mean it as a pervasive thread in their run. Candidates these days are everything to every man at some point, so just because Gingrich cloaks himself in the Christian flag in South Carolina doesn't mean as much to me.
I admit I could be wrong about Newt out of ignorance, but my bottom line still stands, "Christian does not equal Republican. Republican does not equal Christian." The media often loses the distinction and we all suffer for it. It strikes me as an error on the scale of saying atheism is communism and communism is atheism.
Message edited by author 2012-01-20 18:42:52. |
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01/20/2012 06:46:22 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
...my bottom line still stands, "Christian does not equal Republican. Republican does not equal Christian." The media often loses the distinction and we all suffer for it. It strikes me as an error on the scale of saying atheism is communism and communism is atheism. |
The Big Guy himself, that Jesus dude, was a pretty radical fella, actually. I got him pegged for a Social Democrat, myself :-)
R.
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01/20/2012 06:51:11 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
...my bottom line still stands, "Christian does not equal Republican. Republican does not equal Christian." The media often loses the distinction and we all suffer for it. It strikes me as an error on the scale of saying atheism is communism and communism is atheism. |
The Big Guy himself, that Jesus dude, was a pretty radical fella, actually. I got him pegged for a Social Democrat, myself :-)
R. |
He even weighed in on taxes with, "Pay unto Caesar what is Caesar's." :) I'd love to see that busted out at a Republican debate...
Message edited by author 2012-01-20 18:53:10. |
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