DPChallenge: A Digital Photography Contest You are not logged in. (log in or register) 
 

DPChallenge Forums >> Rant >> Can we please get rid of all the editing rules?
Pages:  
Showing posts 1 - 25 of 101, (reverse)
AuthorThread
 12/02/2014 04:21:30 PM · #1
nevermind.

Message edited by author 2014-12-04 14:16:59.
 12/02/2014 04:48:28 PM · #2
since the name of this site is DPChallenge (DPC for short):

Now, Mike, where would the challenge be if we just had a topic and a week to shoot it in.

No perimeters except time.

So, pretty the image up however and reap the rewards of good photoshopping?

We've already relaxed the rules to permit humungous-sized images instead of resolving the
challenge of producing a great image in a smaller size.

I like to use photoshop too, but let's not forget this is a site
that likes to encourage meeting the set challenge with a few boundaries in place.
 12/02/2014 04:52:05 PM · #3
Challenges without rules don't make sense. But life and art are not necessarily DPC challenges. We can enter stuff and create different things for the rest of the world.
 12/02/2014 04:52:19 PM · #4
The sub-head on the site says "a digital photography contest". Not "a digital manipulation contest" or "an illustration contest". There are other sites that cater to those things.

12/02/2014 05:02:23 PM · #5
Maybe instead of discussing "getting rid of the editing rules" (ain't gonna happen), how about discussing, say, the most ridiculous aspects of the advanced ruleset, and how to change that ruleset for the better without making it a free for all? What bugs you most about the advanced rules?
 12/02/2014 05:21:46 PM · #6
You bet "no rules", rules in my opinion.

12/02/2014 05:22:51 PM · #7
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Challenges without rules don't make sense.


Why not ?

12/02/2014 05:36:40 PM · #8
Originally posted by Tiny:
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Challenges without rules don't make sense.


Why not ?


Here's why: Cambridge Dictionary definition:

challenge noun (DIFFICULT JOB)
B1 [C or U] (the situation of being faced with) something that needs great mental or physical effort in order to be done successfully and therefore tests a person's ability.

Without rules, there is no challenge.
 12/02/2014 06:02:56 PM · #9
The easiest answer is not to play a game whose rules you don't like.

There are plenty of sites that do not have rules. 1X for instance. But over there one has still to "please" the curators.
One way or another, you'll face a rule. And all this even before trying to exhibit your work, and I am not talking to show it into a nearby coffee shop.

If one truly hates rules, side challenges are great. No ribbons to be hung on the buttonhole but plenty of viewers and comments.

There are also the expert editing challenges that can please everybody but at DPC people got a false idea that only an illustration is expected to be appreciated, therefore, another RULE is applied to the no-rule editing.
Actually the majority RULES and awards only one type of pictures. And the majority believes that the "opposition" likes only one genre of images.

Heck, let's just take pictures!

12/02/2014 06:04:45 PM · #10
I like the rule sets. Not every detail of every one, but the idea that I have to work within certain parameters and that my work may be scrutinized to make sure I did. I think this site is unique for that and it's one of the reasons I joined and stay. I certainly don't stay for all the ribbons I win or money I make :)
 12/02/2014 06:32:15 PM · #11


Message edited by author 2014-12-04 10:35:02.
 12/02/2014 07:01:24 PM · #12


Message edited by author 2014-12-04 10:35:18.
 12/02/2014 07:18:44 PM · #13
Originally posted by sfalice:
Without rules, there is no challenge.


The rules are the theme and the dates. That is enough to make it a "challenge" in my opinion.

I would be in favor of a few rules, such as a single scene (with multiple exposure for HDR allowed) and no elements added in. Two rule sets. Regular and Expert. Those who want to spend their time behind their camera can work on the perfect exposure, those who want to spend time on their computer can practice their processing skills. Some might even do both. I would bet either would have an equal chance of winning.
 12/02/2014 07:25:00 PM · #14


+1
If you ask me the challenges now are about the rules. Photographs are second. Photography is third.

Message edited by author 2014-12-02 19:26:40.
 12/02/2014 07:29:05 PM · #15
Originally posted by LN13:
The sub-head on the site says "a digital photography contest". Not "a digital manipulation contest" or "an illustration contest". There are other sites that cater to those things.

+1

I'm a firm believer in your statement.
 12/02/2014 07:31:23 PM · #16
Originally posted by pixelpig:
+1
If you ask me the challenges now are about the rules. Photographs are second. Photography is third.

If you throw out the rules it will become all about Photoshop and post-processing, not about photography and making an attempt to get it at least close to right in camera.
 12/02/2014 07:32:27 PM · #17
My prediction where this thread is headed ...

12/02/2014 07:37:27 PM · #18
I know for one, if there were no rules and you got the majority entering images using expert editing it would drive little people like me away. That's not why I joined DPC, I joined to help me become a better photographer than what I was, not to become a better editor, although I did learn that and I'm grateful for it, it was not the driving force.

I actually think there should be more minimal editing challenges, hey when's the next one???

Edited to add ....Oh yeah and Mike you haven't entered a challenge since August, and we've had a few expert challenges since then, why aren't you making the most of it....just saying!

Message edited by author 2014-12-02 19:40:49.
 12/02/2014 07:38:52 PM · #19
Originally posted by Neat:
I know for one, if there were no rules and you got the majority entering images using expert editing it would drive little people like me away. That's not why I joined DPC, I joined to help me become a better photographer than what I was, not to become a better editor, although I did learn that and I'm grateful for it, it was not the driving force.

I actually think there should be more minimal editing challenges, hey when's the next one???


A rarity. Neat and I are in perfect agreement.

More minimal!!!
 12/02/2014 07:41:52 PM · #20
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Neat:
I know for one, if there were no rules and you got the majority entering images using expert editing it would drive little people like me away. That's not why I joined DPC, I joined to help me become a better photographer than what I was, not to become a better editor, although I did learn that and I'm grateful for it, it was not the driving force.

I actually think there should be more minimal editing challenges, hey when's the next one???


A rarity. Neat and I are in perfect agreement.

More minimal!!!


Actually there was another time you agreed with me as well :)

Shock horror lol!
 12/02/2014 07:44:15 PM · #21
Originally posted by Neat:
I know for one, if there were no rules and you got the majority entering images using expert editing it would drive little people like me away. That's not why I joined DPC, I joined to help me become a better photographer than what I was, not to become a better editor, although I did learn that and I'm grateful for it, it was not the driving force.

I actually think there should be more minimal editing challenges, hey when's the next one???

Edited to add ....Oh yeah and Mike you haven't entered a challenge since August, and we've had a few expert challenges since then, why aren't you making the most of it....just saying!


+1
+1
+1
 12/02/2014 07:56:05 PM · #22
Originally posted by Mike:
Seriously. This place values setting the proper jpg setting more than it encourages post processing.

The point is to encourage processing so people grow not do enough to get by.


This is a very good point.

I had my entry for the Free Style rejected for being too large. Why do we have a file size limit for a jpg anyway? I can't think of one purpose this serves other than to LOWER the quality of a photo. Why would we want to do this? I had to lower the jpg quality to 78% to get within the file size limit. The width/height restriction at least has some merit for viewability, but the file size limit has none other than to save disk space. Surely this is not something that we should worried about.
 12/02/2014 08:00:43 PM · #23
Originally posted by rcollier:

I had my entry for the Free Style rejected for being too large. Why do we have a file size limit for a jpg anyway? I can't think of one purpose this serves other than to LOWER the quality of a photo. Why would we want to do this? I had to lower the jpg quality to 78% to get within the file size limit. The width/height restriction at least has some merit for viewability, but the file size limit has none other than to save disk space. Surely this is not something that we should worried about.

Good thing the file size limit was raised from 300 to 700kb! As for going any larger on file size it would REALLY hamper voting. As is it takes substantially longer now to vote than it used to.
 12/02/2014 08:18:39 PM · #24
I find the rules to be part of the challenge.

Coming up with ways to achieve certain effects in one exposure and without adding/removing elements can be fun and educational too.

Like my Feast entry - it would have been a piece of cake to make a similar composite in Expert editing but it took some work, experimenting and patience to get in one exposure.
 12/02/2014 08:31:16 PM · #25
why not just include a second category for every challenge that would include Expert along side the current choice of editing rules. That way we dont have to recreate the ruleset for the umptenth time and make everyone happy. Maybe have special ribbon sets for the expert side if a minimum amount of images are entered into that category. At least give it a trial run to see how it would take off.
Pages:  
Current Server Time: 04/15/2025 06:35:08 PM

Please log in or register to post to the forums.


Home - Challenges - Community - League - Photos - Cameras - Lenses - Learn - Help - Terms of Use - Privacy - Top ^
DPChallenge, and website content and design, Copyright © 2001-2025 Challenging Technologies, LLC.
All digital photo copyrights belong to the photographers and may not be used without permission.
Current Server Time: 04/15/2025 06:35:08 PM EDT.