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 02/23/2022 03:44:16 PM · #1
Newly rejoined DP . . . I have reviewed all the edit standards but I feel I am missing something. Didn't there used to be a place that said 'what' photoshop tools you could use; I.e., global curves, exposure, white balance, etc.? Have those been relegated to just extended editing?

Am I right in extended editing is the only edit that allows global adjustments outside of the camera besides cropping/rotating in Minimal? Photo stacking/HDR and cloning to remove unwanted items (I.e., wires) in Standard?

I see mention of 'normal editing': use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry. In-camera features applied after the capture are subject to normal editing rules. Is normal the standard or minimal? <
Sorry to be daft . . . just want to be compliant.
 02/23/2022 03:59:59 PM · #2
If you look through some recent entries you'll see that pretty much anything goes in Standard as long as your original is one photo or a stack of photos of the same thing for added depth of field or HDR. No composites allowed though except in extended. Most filters are okay now.

Welcome back and congrats on getting a ribbon so quickly after such a long break.
 02/23/2022 04:04:02 PM · #3
Thank you for the welcome, the congrats and explanation . . . when you say anything goes . . . can I adjust brightness, curves, etc? I feel confused on what I can do aside from trickeration of compositing/mass manipulating in extended.

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
If you look through some recent entries you'll see that pretty much anything goes in Standard as long as your original is one photo or a stack of photos of the same thing for added depth of field or HDR. No composites allowed though except in extended. Most filters are okay now.

Welcome back and congrats on getting a ribbon so quickly after such a long break.
02/23/2022 04:11:03 PM · #4
Erin, you are correct that we used to try to define which tools were legal, and which weren't. It was a losing battle, as software became ever more sophisticated. The current rules were formulated to be "results-based," so we are defining what is acceptable as an end result; how you get there is pretty much up to you. All challenge entries must comply with the "Common Editing" rules, which really aren't editing rules as much as site rules.
The default editing ruleset for challenges is "Standard." Most challenges run under this ruleset. When you read through these rules, you will realize there is very little you cannot do under this ruleset. The major limitation is on wholesale removal/addition of elements (though we are pretty liberal on removal).
Extended is even more liberal, while Minimal is quite restrictive (pretty much out-of-camera result).
 02/23/2022 04:11:05 PM · #5
Sure you can adjust brightness, curves etc... and a whole lot more. You can clone distractions too as long as you only replace them with what belongs there. and some people used "arty" filters in standard too. Just don't add anything that shouldn't be there.

But I'm sure the site council will give you better answers than I'm capable of. Edit: I see Kirbic beat me to it.

Message edited by author 2022-02-23 16:12:32.
 02/23/2022 04:12:27 PM · #6
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Thank you for the welcome, the congrats and explanation . . . when you say anything goes . . . can I adjust brightness, curves, etc? I feel confused on what I can do aside from trickeration of compositing/mass manipulating in extended.


Yep!!

You can do all of that... and so much more!

Liquify, remove objects and replace them with what would have been there if the object weren't there, filters, basically anything. If you aren't sure, SC is really good at giving answers quickly.
02/23/2022 04:17:00 PM · #7
Oh good - that will help me moving forward, glad I asked! Thank you for the reply.

Originally posted by Lydia:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Thank you for the welcome, the congrats and explanation . . . when you say anything goes . . . can I adjust brightness, curves, etc? I feel confused on what I can do aside from trickeration of compositing/mass manipulating in extended.


Yep!!

You can do all of that... and so much more!

Liquify, remove objects and replace them with what would have been there if the object weren't there, filters, basically anything. If you aren't sure, SC is really good at giving answers quickly.
02/23/2022 04:18:54 PM · #8
That is how I remembered it but got confused (cause you know I'm 14 years older and my brain is taxed) LOL I just don't want to be disqualified. . . but I guess in the interim I can't be my normal last minute lucy in case I have a question LOL

Originally posted by kirbic:
Erin, you are correct that we used to try to define which tools were legal, and which weren't. It was a losing battle, as software became ever more sophisticated. The current rules were formulated to be "results-based," so we are defining what is acceptable as an end result; how you get there is pretty much up to you. All challenge entries must comply with the "Common Editing" rules, which really aren't editing rules as much as site rules.
The default editing ruleset for challenges is "Standard." Most challenges run under this ruleset. When you read through these rules, you will realize there is very little you cannot do under this ruleset. The major limitation is on wholesale removal/addition of elements (though we are pretty liberal on removal).
Extended is even more liberal, while Minimal is quite restrictive (pretty much out-of-camera result).
02/23/2022 04:19:41 PM · #9
I think I was missing the actual 'list' and got lost in the minutae . . . . thank you for the reply(ies)

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
Sure you can adjust brightness, curves etc... and a whole lot more. You can clone distractions too as long as you only replace them with what belongs there. and some people used "arty" filters in standard too. Just don't add anything that shouldn't be there.

But I'm sure the site council will give you better answers than I'm capable of. Edit: I see Kirbic beat me to it.
02/23/2022 04:24:55 PM · #10
If you want to know what NOT to do, look through some of the disqualifications announced in the Challenge Announcements. You'll see that there aren't a whole lot of them.
 02/23/2022 04:27:40 PM · #11
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
If you want to know what NOT to do, look through some of the disqualifications announced in the Challenge Announcements. You'll see that there aren't a whole lot of them.

And practically all DQs these days have to do with invalid originals/no originals being submitted as proof. Be SURE that if you work from JPG originals you create a duplicate of the original to work on. This is not an issue with RAW files.
 02/23/2022 04:33:12 PM · #12
Good to know - I am kicking myself on my last two entries (in voting) as I thought they had to be pretty much straight from camera . . oh well, they didn't really 'fit' the topic and one in particular I waited until the last minute and it was THE cloudiest day we have had so I pigeon holed it . . .and the score reflects that! LOL

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
If you want to know what NOT to do, look through some of the disqualifications announced in the Challenge Announcements. You'll see that there aren't a whole lot of them.

And practically all DQs these days have to do with invalid originals/no originals being submitted as proof. Be SURE that if you work from JPG originals you create a duplicate of the original to work on. This is not an issue with RAW files.
02/23/2022 04:33:39 PM · #13
Thank you - that is great advice!

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
If you want to know what NOT to do, look through some of the disqualifications announced in the Challenge Announcements. You'll see that there aren't a whole lot of them.
04/02/2022 12:51:46 PM · #14
Hi,

I'm hijacking this thread, as I'm in the same situation (rejoined after 12 years), and I'm a bit lost.

Do I understand correctly that, except under "minimal editing" rules, local editings (dodge/burn, vignetting, adjustments made only in a specific selection within the image,...) are now allowed within all rulesets?
 04/02/2022 01:46:51 PM · #15
Originally posted by Gabriel:
Hi,

I'm hijacking this thread, as I'm in the same situation (rejoined after 12 years), and I'm a bit lost.

Do I understand correctly that, except under "minimal editing" rules, local editings (dodge/burn, vignetting, adjustments made only in a specific selection within the image,...) are now allowed within all rulesets?

Pretty much. :-)

Welcome back!
 04/02/2022 03:28:25 PM · #16
Originally posted by Gabriel:
Hi,

I'm hijacking this thread, as I'm in the same situation (rejoined after 12 years), and I'm a bit lost.

Do I understand correctly that, except under "minimal editing" rules, local editings (dodge/burn, vignetting, adjustments made only in a specific selection within the image,...) are now allowed within all rulesets?


Other cool things you can do in standard: focus stacking, star trails, HDR (although that's been the case since forever)

Things that are still gray areas: textures and overlays - if they become a "feature" of the image, the result would be considered a composite, which is not allowed in standard.
 04/02/2022 08:45:14 PM · #17
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Gabriel:
Hi,

I'm hijacking this thread, as I'm in the same situation (rejoined after 12 years), and I'm a bit lost.

Do I understand correctly that, except under "minimal editing" rules, local editings (dodge/burn, vignetting, adjustments made only in a specific selection within the image,...) are now allowed within all rulesets?


Other cool things you can do in standard: focus stacking, star trails, HDR (although that's been the case since forever)

Things that are still gray areas: textures and overlays - if they become a "feature" of the image, the result would be considered a composite, which is not allowed in standard.


Can you merge images; I.e, two frames of same scene stitched together to make the image larger/panorama ?
 04/02/2022 09:07:13 PM · #18
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Can you merge images; I.e, two frames of same scene stitched together to make the image larger/panorama ?

Yes, this is explicitly allowed in Standard and Extended (not in Minimal).
 04/03/2022 04:02:01 AM · #19
Thank you very much...
 04/03/2022 01:03:41 PM · #20
Are you able to extend a canvas with the background if your subject is too close to an edge?
 04/03/2022 03:16:56 PM · #21
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Are you able to extend a canvas with the background if your subject is too close to an edge?


Wiser folks will weigh in but I believe you can (not minimal editing) as long as you are not adding anything new.
 04/03/2022 05:15:56 PM · #22
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Are you able to extend a canvas with the background if your subject is too close to an edge?


Wiser folks will weigh in but I believe you can (not minimal editing) as long as you are not adding anything new.


No -- as far as I know, you still cannot do that, except in extended editing.
 04/03/2022 05:51:17 PM · #23
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Are you able to extend a canvas with the background if your subject is too close to an edge?


Wiser folks will weigh in but I believe you can (not minimal editing) as long as you are not adding anything new.


No -- as far as I know, you still cannot do that, except in extended editing.


There you go . . . Wiser folks than I for sure!
 04/04/2022 09:54:40 AM · #24
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Are you able to extend a canvas with the background if your subject is too close to an edge?


Wiser folks will weigh in but I believe you can (not minimal editing) as long as you are not adding anything new.


No -- as far as I know, you still cannot do that, except in extended editing.


The only exception to this is that we do allow *very* minor fill-in if, for instance, your crop results in a sliver of un-filled area. But adding area to correct the composition, no.
 04/04/2022 01:55:51 PM · #25
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Are you able to extend a canvas with the background if your subject is too close to an edge?


Wiser folks will weigh in but I believe you can (not minimal editing) as long as you are not adding anything new.


No -- as far as I know, you still cannot do that, except in extended editing.


The only exception to this is that we do allow *very* minor fill-in if, for instance, your crop results in a sliver of un-filled area. But adding area to correct the composition, no.


Actually, isn't there one other exception, that it's ok to do it if you're correcting perspective?
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