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 09/13/2002 03:26:31 PM · #76
Originally posted by Sonifo:
...It doesnt matter how small the subject is. It is how well the subject stands out above the background. Does the negative bring your eye to the positive part of the photo?
At least that is what I got out of it when I read the tuturial they had on here the other day that I can't find.


I just meant to offer my first-impulse reaction as to what would have made that particular photo work better for me.
 09/13/2002 04:51:58 PM · #77
Sorry General. I am just worried that people aren't going to get it. And Feel let down come voting time AGAIN. I feel there should be a tuturial on voting. Not only should people be working on getting better at taking photos but they should also be working on how to judge a photo better. Most of us aren't profesionals here, but I do think that a lot of photos that are given 1-4 don't deserve it. I could go on and on, but won't.
Sonja
 09/13/2002 05:21:11 PM · #78
"It is how well the subject stands out above the background"

But this is what makes these challenges both fun and controversial. I don't accept the definition of negative space just given. My own take is that the negative space should essentially "create" the subject/positive space in some definable fashion. This is far from the subject standing out from its background.

However, the point is that this is MY interpretation of what negative space means. It is just as valid as anyone else's (and in reverse, others' opionions will be equally valid against mine) and so that is how I will take my shot and is the basis on which I will vote others.

Freedom is a cherished creature that cannot be bound in any one person's cage.
 09/13/2002 05:31:11 PM · #79
Originally posted by jakking:
[My own take is that the negative space should essentially "create" the subject/positive space in some definable fashion.

This is far from the subject standing out from its background.

I think that these two are the same. Yours is just writen a little better. :P Anyway my thoughts exactly.

09/13/2002 06:11:12 PM · #80
Ain't language great!

:)
 09/13/2002 07:09:53 PM · #81
Im gutted that I didnt elicit even so much as a groan for my negative space picture above :(

John
 09/13/2002 07:37:17 PM · #82
*groan* John Floyd. that space IS too full of positive matter. Of course it would never work. *grin*.
 09/13/2002 07:43:42 PM · #83
FLOYD.............sorry. It was just so negitive that I missed it.
;P



very nice shot-works for me.
 09/13/2002 07:47:57 PM · #84
Originally posted by floyd:
Im gutted that I didnt elicit even so much as a groan for my negative space picture above :(

John

Sorry too -- I thought it was really funny, but folks here don't seem to rate the humorous component as highly as I do, so I skipped ahead to the more serious part of the thread.

BTW -- did you use digital zoom to capture that image, or just the optical?
 09/13/2002 08:52:12 PM · #85
I just want to say that I thought I "got it", then decided I still hadn't a clue. I have 2 possible submissions, but not sure they are using the "space" well.
I was one of those that didn't "get it" before. LOL! I always thought people were missing their subject! Really! I mean, I was taught to not get too much sky above the people's heads in the photo since I was 10, and now I find out that sometimes that's okay.................
I am trying, but finding it difficult to understand it well enough to shoot it well enough in the week given - let alone vote on it.
I did not go to art school - I have a degree in Biology. In science there is more often an answer to "why?".
I personally find this akin to my view of "contemporary art". I am more of a Renaissance-, Impressionism-, or even Pointilism-kind-of-girl. I like it if and when my photos turn out having (as someone pointed out in another thread) a "painterly" feel to it. Modern/Contemporary Art always thru me for a loop. Of course, I can't swag just one side of a window valance either.... not symmetric/balanced enough!
Anyway. I am enjoying trying to think out of the box, although, I think only my big toe got outside the box this time.
:-)
Thanks for all the posts in this thread. It has begun to help.

 09/13/2002 09:33:58 PM · #86
I want to thank every one for this thread too. After having a very low time of it yesterday one of the images here triggered an idea. So I do have something entered afterall.

Oh and I have finally got my monitor to match the values on the web. Hurray!.

aelith
 09/14/2002 06:22:43 PM · #87
*bump* I posted the note above so late I don't think any one saw it. I do thank those that responed to my "feeling uninspired" thread.
aelith -- much better now. :-)
 09/14/2002 06:22:52 PM · #88
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by floyd:
[i]Im gutted that I didnt elicit even so much as a groan for my negative space picture above :(

John

Sorry too -- I thought it was really funny, but folks here don't seem to rate the humorous component as highly as I do, so I skipped ahead to the more serious part of the thread.

BTW -- did you use digital zoom to capture that image, or just the optical?[/i]

I used a very large optical zoom called the Hubble space telescope. :)

Wish I could take credit for it.

John
 09/14/2002 07:14:09 PM · #89
I was just glad somebody noticed.

Originally posted by Journey:
09/14/2002 07:54:12 PM · #90
Hey guys, I need help. I submitted a photo to the Neg Space challenge and all that is showing up in place of my photo is a red "x". The photo is definitely within the size limits, what could the problem be??? Has anyone else had this happen?
Thanks,
Linda
 09/14/2002 08:15:56 PM · #91
NEVERMIND!!! It's fixed with a little help from langdon ! (Had an apostrophe in the filename.)
Thanks langdon.
Linda
 09/14/2002 08:21:37 PM · #92
I have a question,

Would a partially blurred background mark down your scores for this challenge?
 09/14/2002 08:28:23 PM · #93
For me it would depend on the relationship between the foreground and the back ground. for any one else --- who knows!
 09/15/2002 11:15:56 PM · #94
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* This message has been edited by the author on 9/15/2002 11:15:27 PM.

* This message has been edited by the author on 9/15/2002 11:15:38 PM.

* This message has been edited by the author on 9/16/2002 3:12:14 PM.
 09/15/2002 11:26:27 PM · #95
JeB: we try not to show everyone, but if you want to email a particular person about it you may.
:)

 09/16/2002 02:39:53 PM · #96
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Be sure to title it appropriately :)


I'm glad you mentioned this... I submitted a picture that was "Untitled." I guess I had "writers block!" :) As far as scoring a photograph, how important is the title? I understand the title should come from our own perspective of the picture... but on the other hand shouldn't the image be left "untitled" so that the audience can have an unbiased, unpromoted, perception of the picture?

JB
 09/16/2002 03:04:34 PM · #97
Jeb - well, there's been many threads here with that same question - to this day, I'm not sure where it stands. However, simple rule of thumb, don't try to save the photo with a title.

Also, re needing help with a pic that is going to be entered into a challenge, or for one that already is in a current challenge, it is 'frowned' upon to reveal your pic. BUT you can share thoughts in email or private messages.

---I think I've used up my 2cents for the day---
 09/16/2002 04:03:36 PM · #98
Originally posted by RedRuthann:
... it is 'frowned' upon to reveal your pic. BUT you can share thoughts in email or private messages...

You can also share them in DPC Chat etc. etc. This makes the "frowning upon" discussion here in the DPC fora completely hypocritical. One of the concepts behind this site is, I assume, the anonymity of the shots while they are being voted on. If a cabal of regular users knows which ones are submitted by others in their cabal -- and have already made judgements on a series of possible takes -- it makes a complete mockery of the system in my judgement.

Obviously I would not push for any "regulation" on this (especially as it cannot be enforced), but I do get ticked off when these reminders of "good form" are brought up. "Good form" should include not sharing these in any forum before voting is completed.

 09/16/2002 04:21:07 PM · #99
jakking perhaps you have spent time in a different chatroom to the one I frequent.

In that chatroom the only times anyone ever lets me know (in private message not just blurted out in the chat) which photo is theirs is once I have completed my voting.

I am honest enough in myself not to change my vote when I know which photo belongs to a friend, which is why I don't want to know whose is whose till I have assigned all votes.

Comments sometimes get assigned after so I might say something which relates to a conversation I've had with the photographer but the comments aren't any nicer for knowing the photographer. In fact sometimes harsher because I know that they know me, know I am not a nasty person and therefore won't take what is meant as an honest criticism in the wrong way.

I guess I just don't get why you're attacking a bunch of people who just like to chat, mostly not even about photography though that's what draw us together in the first place.

The chatroom is open to every DPCer and anyone and everyone is welcome and welcomed.




* This message has been edited by the author on 9/16/2002 4:20:49 PM.
 09/16/2002 04:26:35 PM · #100
My apologies if I have mis-characterized matters in DPC Chat, but I have seen discussions in threads here openly discussing the swapping of outtakes prior to submission. I am sure it mentioned the chat room, but if not, I apologize.

My general objections remain as stated.
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