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06/18/2003 09:47:52 AM · #1 |
| Hey has anybody else found this to be true: during regular challenges, I often wish "Oh that I could spot edit that little x away or burn and dodge just a little!"? But then, when given the chance in a challenge, the photo works and for the life of me, I can't think of a thing to spot edit! |
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06/18/2003 09:51:31 AM · #2 |
YES! It's so annoying. My photo was near-perfect right out of camera. However, after looking at it ages I just did a few little things, which I hardly even notice myself.
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06/18/2003 09:55:15 AM · #3 |
I think you should edit it anyway. make it worse if you have to. DO NOT let this opportunity escape you.
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06/18/2003 10:07:09 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
Hey has anybody else found this to be true: during regular challenges, I often wish "Oh that I could spot edit that little x away or burn and dodge just a little!"? But then, when given the chance in a challenge, the photo works and for the life of me, I can't think of a thing to spot edit! |
I have found that coincidentally with the previous 'open editing' challenges. I think it just demonstrates that it isn't something that you always need but would be nice to not be restricted in usage.
This time around I did some clone tool spot editing, some additional layers for dodging and burning and used multiple layers for sharpening and tonal adjustments. I wonder how many 'doesn't look like a photo' or 'oh my lord, this is digital art' comments I'll get - I'll hazard a guess at none.
Message edited by author 2003-06-18 10:25:05. |
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06/18/2003 11:37:43 AM · #5 |
Yeah, that's funny and absolutely right. With some hard looking i did manage to find something for the d&b tools. With the off-center challenge i was practically screaming for being allowed to use them to get rid of a few nasty pixels.
I had fun doing the B&B challenge; not sure i will submit though. Have a tough time evaluating whether the result is really interesting. It seems whenever i submit set-up shots, the score is dismal. So, i thought just practicing them for a while without submitting them. |
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06/18/2003 11:50:19 AM · #6 |
Okay, I took Pedro's advice and spot edited a few things just to sieze the day, as it were! LOL
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06/18/2003 01:41:14 PM · #7 |
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06/18/2003 01:45:16 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
Okay, I took Pedro's advice and spot edited a few things just to sieze the day, as it were! LOL |
Good. now go edit MORE. Why? because you can. With a little work, you could turn that 7 into a 4 (thereby improving MY chances)
you guys are great. I'm having fun. |
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06/18/2003 02:35:45 PM · #9 |
I'm trying a new way of taking shots. Before I click the shutter, I look for 3 things I want to change. Then I change them and look for another 3 things. and so on until I get the shot I want, then I take it.
After that when I'm post-processing I go through the same steps, find 3 things, fix them, find another and so on.
It's all about not just accepting things the way they happen to have fallen out.
Obviously with people it helps to do a lot of these steps prior to putting the subject in front of the camera... |
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06/18/2003 02:52:12 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I'm trying a new way of taking shots. Before I click the shutter, I look for 3 things I want to change. Then I change them and look for another 3 things. and so on until I get the shot I want, then I take it.
After that when I'm post-processing I go through the same steps, find 3 things, fix them, find another and so on.
It's all about not just accepting things the way they happen to have fallen out.
Obviously with people it helps to do a lot of these steps prior to putting the subject in front of the camera... |
Oh, my goodness, I was just thinking if a guy were taking a shot of a pen full of chickens, there would be nothing left but chicken dung when he finally got the shot off. Or does this only apply to set up shots? |
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06/18/2003 02:57:20 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by autool:
Originally posted by Gordon:
I'm trying a new way of taking shots. Before I click the shutter, I look for 3 things I want to change. Then I change them and look for another 3 things. and so on until I get the shot I want, then I take it.
After that when I'm post-processing I go through the same steps, find 3 things, fix them, find another and so on.
It's all about not just accepting things the way they happen to have fallen out.
Obviously with people it helps to do a lot of these steps prior to putting the subject in front of the camera... |
Oh, my goodness, I was just thinking if a guy were taking a shot of a pen full of chickens, there would be nothing left but chicken dung when he finally got the shot off. Or does this only apply to set up shots? |
Like I said about shooting people, it works well if you think about it a bit before clicking the shutter - obviously there are times when you need to get the shot and cant make as many changes, but a little bit of a methodical approach goes a long way. I even go through this shooting sports events, while I still shoot away, I'm checking for things I could improve as I move to the next shot. Things like shutter speed, or aperture, or compositional aspects, or light - it becomes ingrained the more you do it. If you practice it for slower paced shooting, it becomes easier for the faster paced stuff.
Message edited by author 2003-06-18 14:58:11. |
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06/18/2003 03:34:03 PM · #12 |
| well, I for one am submitting digital art. I know this is a photography site and not a digital art site. I was basically forced into it by the fact that my camera works rather poorly in low light situations, so I had to make a crappy picture look good, which is really hard to do unless you do something out of the ordinary. I'm just having fun with it and not worrying about my score since I have no other way of doing well. Besides, I submitted shots just for fun for the current two challenges and they're both above 6 and I've been getting under 5's the last 3 weeks in a row when I was really trying to get good scores. Funny. I've decided that's what this site is all about..fun. I'm not going to let my scores dictate how I feel about things, but helpful criticism is still appreciated. However, I won't be marking "this is digital art, not photography" as a helpful comment, since I already know that. Good luck to everyone, looking forward to seeing your shots. |
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06/18/2003 03:38:05 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I'm trying a new way of taking shots. Before I click the shutter, I look for 3 things I want to change. Then I change them and look for another 3 things. and so on until I get the shot I want, then I take it.
After that when I'm post-processing I go through the same steps, find 3 things, fix them, find another and so on.
It's all about not just accepting things the way they happen to have fallen out.
Obviously with people it helps to do a lot of these steps prior to putting the subject in front of the camera... |
So, if I'm taking a picture of my wife, I first think of three things I would change about her....
(just kidding - love you honey!) |
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06/18/2003 09:14:10 PM · #14 |
| Dose the picture have to be in Black and White? |
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06/18/2003 09:19:35 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by arnit:
Dose the picture have to be in Black and White? |
I worried about that until I decided that I didn't care. Low-key doesn't mean black and white, though some voters opinions might think that black on black means that there shouldn't even be any white or grey in the picture.... |
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06/18/2003 09:32:01 PM · #16 |
I'm kinda worried that people misunderstand what low-key photography is. But... who cares :)
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by arnit:
Dose the picture have to be in Black and White? |
I worried about that until I decided that I didn't care. Low-key doesn't mean black and white, though some voters opinions might think that black on black means that there shouldn't even be any white or grey in the picture.... |
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06/18/2003 10:12:21 PM · #17 |
Definition of low-key from Agfanet:
"The term "low-key" is easy to define. Photos in this style are characterized by:
- Saturated colors at the bottom end of the tonal value scale,
- Deep shadows, and
- Few, but very high contrasts."
See: //www.agfanet.com/en/cafe/photocourse/classiccourse/9912/cont_index.php3#6
Examples of low-key at Agfanet: //www.agfanet.com/en/cafe/photocourse/classiccourse/9912/cont02.php3
But "black on black" is something else ...
Oh well.
Message edited by author 2003-06-18 22:16:44. |
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06/18/2003 10:18:22 PM · #18 |
That's the problem I had - but I've decided to try and satisfy myself first and last. |
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06/18/2003 11:26:54 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
Hey has anybody else found this to be true: during regular challenges, I often wish "Oh that I could spot edit that little x away or burn and dodge just a little!"? But then, when given the chance in a challenge, the photo works and for the life of me, I can't think of a thing to spot edit! |
I think that's just saying you know equipment and it ablilities of your camera. The other times it probably isn't how you are shotting but the imperfections of the real world, whether it is the your surroundings or the ability of your camera to produce your setting on your camera. |
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06/19/2003 02:07:16 AM · #20 |
Is this a low key???Black???
Message edited by author 2003-06-19 02:11:04. |
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06/19/2003 06:04:46 AM · #21 |
In my opinion "Black on Black" is a type of "Low-Key", and in this case, it is the type of low-key that we should be focussing on. It's just like selp-portrait is a type of portrait, but you dont see any pet portraits in the self-portrait challenge...
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06/19/2003 06:25:31 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I'm trying a new way of taking shots. Before I click the shutter, I look for 3 things I want to change. Then I change them and look for another 3 things. and so on until I get the shot I want, then I take it.
After that when I'm post-processing I go through the same steps, find 3 things, fix them, find another and so on.
It's all about not just accepting things the way they happen to have fallen out.
Obviously with people it helps to do a lot of these steps prior to putting the subject in front of the camera... |
Great advice! Thanks Gordon. I'm struggling a lot with this. I'm kind of tensed when I take pictures, and try to be fast. As a result, I don't think (long) enough about composition and technique. This looks like a good way to chill and improve.
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06/19/2003 10:37:56 AM · #23 |
Folks,
The challenge description says "Also known as "low-key," -
I think that about says it all, you freaky over-literal sticklers out there :P ;) ...
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06/19/2003 11:22:24 PM · #24 |
I finally just submitted my Black on Black entry. I took advantage of the no editing rules and went crazy.
It still looks like a photo and not digital art, but there are changes that would ordinarily result in a DQ (without question).
I've been scoring well below my average for the last several weeks. I hope this one does better. I think it will be above 6, but what do I know?
Time will tell.
JD Anderson
Message edited by author 2003-06-19 23:22:55.
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06/19/2003 11:38:26 PM · #25 |
It's funny, the challene says "black on black" but the challenge discriptions says "Also known as "low-key," take a photograph using this technique". I won't be voting down on any low key shots or black on black shots.
edited to say
I will not vote down if you have a b/w photo as long as it is low-key.
Message edited by author 2003-06-19 23:40:18.
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