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06/27/2003 09:01:02 AM · #1 |
Hereis my entry for the black on black challenge.
As soon as I noticed an L-shaped border on my image after submission, I was sure I was going to get comments on it :) (All I was trying to do was reframe the image so there was more space on the left and bottom).
My main concern though is that I was working on (at least what I think) is a calibrated monitor... So are the people who picked this up working on a calibrated monitor also?
I do my callibration every couple of months using visual inspection (ie, no spyder or equivalent hardware)
I'd hate to think that all this time my monitor hasn't been calibrated correctly... can anyone provide feedback on this?
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06/27/2003 09:05:05 AM · #2 |
Okay, now I'm worried, I don't even see the border! My screen must not be calibrated correctly. I've tried doing it manually, but is there a way of doing it automatically?
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06/27/2003 09:05:36 AM · #3 |
Your border is somewhat lighter than the background in your shot. Perhaps you don't have enough definition/contrast at the low end?
-Terry
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06/27/2003 09:11:05 AM · #4 |
With sylandrix's photo on your screen, load your gamma software. Adjust your monitor by viewing this particular photo.
Then go back and look at some of the older photos, even some of your own and see how much different they look.
Originally posted by Martus:
Okay, now I'm worried, I don't even see the border! My screen must not be calibrated correctly. I've tried doing it manually, but is there a way of doing it automatically? |
Message edited by author 2003-06-27 09:15:03. |
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06/27/2003 09:11:31 AM · #5 |
Does that mean its a deficiency in monitor in displaying very black colors?
I surely hope not because I didn't skimp on my monitor when getting my computer system together.
What I did was filled the empty space with pure black. If I had chosen a lighter shade, it would succeeded I think.
If anyone's having problems viewing it, I think if you open it up in PS and play with the levels, it will appear...
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Your border is somewhat lighter than the background in your shot. Perhaps you don't have enough definition/contrast at the low end?
-Terry |
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06/27/2003 09:24:03 AM · #6 |
I can see the border quite well (given how dark it is) but I perhaps would not have immediately noticed the L-shape had you not mentioned it!
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06/27/2003 09:30:35 AM · #7 |
I see the border very well.
Rather than making the background pure black, in PS you can sample the photo background and use that as your border, then they will match.
Dennis
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06/27/2003 09:37:53 AM · #8 |
Woww this was wierd. I did not see any border so I tried to custom my monitor a little bit. Putt it from 8000Kelvin upp to 10000K and moved the Contrast level a bitt. And now I can se the border if I look very closly. Mayby it is time to get a new monitor
Message edited by author 2003-06-27 09:40:31. |
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06/27/2003 09:48:22 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by sylandrix:
Does that mean its a deficiency in monitor in displaying very black colors?
I surely hope not because I didn't skimp on my monitor when getting my computer system together.
What I did was filled the empty space with pure black. If I had chosen a lighter shade, it would succeeded I think.
If anyone's having problems viewing it, I think if you open it up in PS and play with the levels, it will appear...
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When I was voting at home, the border was completely in-your-face. I have very bright SGI flat panel that tends to be very unforgiving of things like that (also in the high end. i see tons of photos with mismatches in white in the background and crazy jpeg artifacts in white areas). When I got to work this morning I looked at this thread and your photo and it's MUCH less noticable, but I can still see it. This is a ViewSonic PF775 CRT.
I tend to kick the contrast on my monitors to 100%. I don't calibrate, because I'm lazy, but I just do what looks good to me and it seems to work out fine.
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06/27/2003 09:52:08 AM · #10 |
Sigh, Its not even 6 months since I bought my monitor... I really can't afford a new one. How can I know for sure if its not working correctly, or its a result of an incorrectly calibrated monitor?
Originally posted by russi:
Woww this was wierd. I did not see any border so I tried to custom my monitor a little bit. Putt it from 8000Kelvin upp to 10000K and moved the Contrast level a bitt. And now I can se the border if I look very closly. Mayby it is time to get a new monitor |
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06/27/2003 09:56:12 AM · #11 |
I can see it well also. While the background looks black black, the L border looks like a faded or blue black. Like when you wear a brand new black shirt with black jeans that you've washed a few times. They're still both black, but they don't quite match.
I think someone mentioned using the eye dropper tool and drawint the exact black right out of the photo and using it in the border. This might work better.
~Heather~
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06/27/2003 09:59:46 AM · #12 |
| You can't.....your monitor is most likely just fine. There are sooooo many variables you will need to set it as YOU like it. I think MOST of the people here have miscalibrated eqpt. and Your pics will Never look the same to all of them. |
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06/27/2003 10:02:30 AM · #13 |
I thought your border was intentional and pretty different and cool! It's really quite obvious to me on all my computers. What's the deal with everyone having such bad monitors? I've never calibrated most of mine and they work just fine. Maybe people just don't even have them set to the highest color settings or something?
Message edited by author 2003-06-27 10:09:07. |
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06/27/2003 10:25:44 AM · #14 |
Thanks for the input everyone, it would appear there are a wide range of monitor settings over here, and even with a properly calibrated monitor, maybe some people still don't make out all the shades in the black to white scale that you see when voting..
The border was definately not intentional, but if it adds to picture for some people, that's great! :) As for removing it, as soon as I noticed it after I submitted, I used the eyedropper tool in conjunction with making small black "overlay" gradients on the left and bottom that actually fade the image to the set color on the left and bottom... Put both methods together and no one can tell I enlarged the negative space in the image :)
The border was more of a byproduct of a hurried submission. |
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06/27/2003 10:34:09 AM · #15 |
Quite possibly it could be that the border colour was created using a CMYK colour profile, the photo is in RGB, and everything was exported in RGB colour space. The CMYK black is lighter than the RGB black. Be careful with the colour profiles in PhotoShop (or whatever you're using). If everything was in RGB it might not have shown.
Originally posted by sylandrix:
Thanks for the input everyone, it would appear there are a wide range of monitor settings over here, and even with a properly calibrated monitor, maybe some people still don't make out all the shades in the black to white scale that you see when voting..
The border was definately not intentional, but if it adds to picture for some people, that's great! :) As for removing it, as soon as I noticed it after I submitted, I used the eyedropper tool in conjunction with making small black "overlay" gradients on the left and bottom that actually fade the image to the set color on the left and bottom... Put both methods together and no one can tell I enlarged the negative space in the image :)
The border was more of a byproduct of a hurried submission. |
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06/27/2003 10:37:20 AM · #16 |
A good thing to be careful of, though not the case in my image because I was at no point in a CMYK colorspace...
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Quite possibly it could be that the border colour was created using a CMYK colour profile, the photo is in RGB, and everything was exported in RGB colour space. The CMYK black is lighter than the RGB black. Be careful with the colour profiles in PhotoShop (or whatever you're using). If everything was in RGB it might not have shown.
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06/27/2003 01:30:33 PM · #17 |
| Viewed your photo just now. I noticed the L-shaped border but only because I was looking for it. Then I increased the brightness and it became very obvious. Now I'm wondering how my photos look to others since everyone's monitor will be set differently and will be seen in different lighting. (I don't normally see a difference in the last black sections of the white --> black graphic during voting but all the lighter sections are different. I haven't made any changes b/c I don't like too bright a screen.) |
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06/27/2003 07:25:58 PM · #18 |
| The way you have your monitor set-up is very important.. I own a video games company and it's easy to work in isolation.. until you see your work on a tv.. Then you'll realise that your blue is in fact violet and you have it all to do over again.. My advise is to use something like Photoshop which has monitor set-up routines.. use them.. at least you'll know your stuff is right |
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06/27/2003 09:17:34 PM · #19 |
Hmm... Well, does anyone out there know for sure they have an accurately calibrated [CRT] monitor?
And if they do, can they check my image and tell me how discernable the l-shaped border is?
I know that even calibrated monitors will not look exactly the same, but I'm just curious to know what my pic looks like on a monitor that is accurately calibrated? |
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06/27/2003 09:38:00 PM · #20 |
My monitor at work is professionally Spyder-calibrated. But I won't be there until next Wednesday. I'll let you know then if no-one does in the meantime.
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06/27/2003 11:42:34 PM · #21 |
| the border was very easy to see for me than again I've calibrated my monitor to a middle grey and then used astronomy pictures I've taken to set the low level contrast (as most astronomy pics without LOTS of processing are very faint anyways) |
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06/27/2003 11:58:30 PM · #22 |
I wish someone who knows how would post some photos to set by.
Such as---- "Adjust until you can Just See This Feature"
---- "This should be jet black"
---- "There is no grain in this photo"
---- "The white here is NOT blown out"
or something along these lines.
Is this not possible? |
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06/28/2003 12:39:35 AM · #23 |
you can make something kind of like this using photoshop in 16 bit increments to make a bar you get 14 different greys a black and white you should be able to tell a difference in all 16 levels and then make a black and white checkerboard pattern at your screen resolution and zoom in and out to fix moire patterns
and use a checkerboard and a middle grey and adjust your monitor until they almost blend together at least that's how some of the monitor config software does it.
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07/01/2003 05:32:41 AM · #24 |
You can see the l-shaped border pretty clearly on my monitor..
David.. if you go through monitor set-up in photoshop this is pretty much what you do.. I'll have a look around the web to see if I can find anything to calibrate your monitor with.. |
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07/01/2003 05:44:03 AM · #25 |
This seems like a good starting point
//www.jasc.com/monitor1.asp |
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