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Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

03/07/2006 02:12:29 PM · #1

I do not get mad or anything if someone doesn't lke my challenge entry, it really does not bother me at all. But, it does annoy me when someone leaves a smart comment, and then I notice they didn't even have the balls to show their face... I think hidden during voting is rediculous and should be banned, JMO

Suppose this should have went in the "Rant" section....Sorry.

yanko

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

03/07/2006 02:14:51 PM · #2

Yeah I find no reason for that function whatsoever. It seems like the "not helpful" checkbox idea which would only irritate people with it's usage.

graphicfunk

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

03/07/2006 02:20:44 PM · #3

I know what you mean. They sometimes even pose a question knowing full well that the recipient is at a disadvantage. lol Most are just funny people.

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

03/07/2006 02:27:28 PM · #4

[quote=graphicfunk]

I know what I am going to be for Halloween this year !! LOL

Riponlady

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ35

03/07/2006 02:27:36 PM · #5

since you eventually find out who it is after voting has finished, does it matter that they are hidden during voting?

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

03/07/2006 02:32:48 PM · #6

Not really I guess it s just the thought.

yanko

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

03/07/2006 02:56:17 PM · #7

Originally posted by Riponlady:

since you eventually find out who it is after voting has finished, does it matter that they are hidden during voting?

I'd say yes. Couldn't the comments be changed shortly before the voting ends? If you are getting lots of comments it's not like you'll remember who was hidden and who wasn't since it doesn't say afterwards.

Maybe I'm missing something but what's the benefit for having that option besides offering some protection for those that want to insult the photo or photographer?

graphicfunk

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

03/07/2006 02:59:04 PM · #8

This has been around a while and I ticked off some s/c members when I suggested that those who chose to vote openly should have the option to hide all hidden voters during the challenge. Equal rights, that is all.

dopydood

Canon EOS-30D

03/07/2006 03:01:57 PM · #9

I recently got a "hidden during voting" responce and it didn't seem negative at all. it makes me wonder what the point is.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

03/07/2006 03:02:41 PM · #10

FWIW, this question comes up with some regularity. Bear in mind, there are two sides to this. Those who choose to remain anonymous during voting mostly do so to avoid getting PMs from comment recipients during the challenge. There are very few cases of commentors making rude or inappropriate comments, then changing them prior to the end of voting, and when it happens it can be easily addressed by bringing the comments to the attention of the SC immediately. We have "prosecuted" a few of these cases in the past.
Remember also that YOU can choose to hide ALL the names of commentors during voting (as I also do) so that commetns can be read and interpreted at face value, without the inevitable baggage that comes from knowing who the commentors are.

alpharich

Fujifilm X-S10

Fujifilm XF 10-24mm f/4 R IOS

03/07/2006 03:04:38 PM · #11

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

yes that would be a good idea, i do feel it gives me a slight negative attitude when i come to vote myself.

03/07/2006 03:13:51 PM · #12

Scince I started this, my comment wasn't vulgar or anything, to report to the SC it just sounded "rude" for lack of a better word.

While constructive comments or suggestions are great, and I love to get those. To sound like you are the authority on photography, to the ponit of degrading anothers work just ticks me off.

03/07/2006 03:17:01 PM · #13

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

I Totally agree, I don't want to hide all the commenters, Just the ones that want to hide themselves from me, Whats the big deal ??

saracat

Pentax K10D

03/07/2006 04:42:43 PM · #14

Disclaimer: The term "you" pertains to the general person, not to anyone in particular. I comment "hidden during voting" for reasons that have been covered in many other threads. With that in mind, please think about the following questions:

Why do you need to know so badly who is making the comments? Can you not take the comment for what it is?

If you want to know who is making the comment so you can "check out their work" and see if they have the knowledge/talent to make a valid comment, then I have a question: why does a great portfolio give more weight to a comment, constructive or otherwise? Do "average joes" not have valid opinions and insights? Or is it simply a case of prejudice against people who may not have the talent/ability/knowledge that the high scorers on the site seem to have?

Yes, I agree, it's nice to get comments from people like librodo, elsapo, arnit, Rikki, goodman, Judi, nico_blue, and others. But why are comments from other members - photographers all, even if they're not the highest scoring - simply not given as much "weight"?

Personally I would prefer if all comments were anonymous until the end of voting. That way, at least, each comment could be read and appreciated for the comment instead of being appreciated for who wrote the comment.

Love my comments or hate them - it doesn't bother me either way. But regardless of how you feel about a comment I leave, it is still a valid opinion, and it may even have valid and constructive advice in it. It doesn't matter that I am not the best photog on the site. I need not be Mozart to appreciate Bach; I need not be Van Gogh to know what I like and don't like about Monet.

My feeling is this: you are voluntarily putting up your work for public scrutiny. Some people will like it, some people won't, and some people won't care one way or the other. However, each one of these opinions is valid whether it comes from me, from librodo, from one of your family members, or from Ansel Adams himself. In the end it really doesn't matter who leaves the comment. If you feel it applies or helps in some way, great. If you don't, simply ignore it. If it's rude or totally out of place, report it at once so it can be taken care of. There is no need to know immediately who leaves the comment, and waiting those six or seven days might just help you see that the comment was actually more accurate than you thought, and could possibly prevent embarrassment stemming from a hasty 'flaming PM'.

Sara

dleach

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

03/07/2006 05:02:43 PM · #15

I set my profile so that those who comment during voting on my entries are hidden. I do this so I won't know who is making the comment. Then when the voting is over I go over the comments again and check out the profiles/portfolios of the commentors.

sickdog

Sony DSC-F828

03/07/2006 05:07:44 PM · #16

i don't personally care wether they hide their name or not.

if it's a helpful comment i pay attention to it, even if it might not be what i want to hear.

there are always going to be a few knuckleheads who throw out biting remarks and hide their name...

who cares.

i promise you that i will still sleep tonight.

CEJ

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

03/07/2006 05:23:53 PM · #17

Originally posted by saracat:

I like what you said

Sara

Particularly the paragraph about 'average joes'. There are quite a few people here who have great knowledge and experience, but don't fare well in challenges. So looking at the work on someone's profile is not an indication in any way of the validity or worth of a person's comment.

I make comments and do critiques (need to get back to that) but looking at my portfolio you would see that I am average at best. Does that mean my comments and critiques are less valid?

Also, I hide during voting. Since I don't know who the photog is when I do comment, I don't know if I am commenting on a 'friend's' picture or not. So, since I am honest, I may say something they may not particularly like if they are really hyped on their picture and I just don't see it. Yes, they will know it is me when the challenge ends, but so will I know who they are (I always go back and check who I commented on) and if it is a 'friend' and I was less than glowing about their pic, I would edit my comment(not delete anything, add to it), explain further why I felt how I did, my thought process, etc. But the 'cooling off period' until voting ends usually dampens any hard feelings/anger one may have over a comment. So far I haven't lost any friends I don't think.

Message edited by author 2006-03-07 17:32:57.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

03/07/2006 05:36:23 PM · #18

Goes along with:

Those who can, Do
Those who can't, Teach (or get promoted)

;o)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

03/07/2006 05:42:03 PM · #19

I avoid the problem in a different way -- I just don't read the comments until the voting is over. I don't see any rude comments changed at the last minute, I don't see any bagheads, and I can go to go to the page and read the comments all at once and in relation to each other.

It's not like I can put into effect any suggestions about the photo during the voting anyway, and I can't respond to the comments, so I figure what's the point?

If someone leaves an inappropriate comment, whether anonymously or not, just report it right away and ignore it thereafter -- and remember that it reflects on the character of the commenter and not your's.

saracat

Pentax K10D

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

03/07/2006 06:29:56 PM · #20

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

I know what you mean. They sometimes even pose a question knowing full well that the recipient is at a disadvantage.

Perhaps to make you think about the answer?
Or to request more info after the challenge is over while maintaining anonymity?

There's more than one reason for posing a question. Have your teachers or parents never asked you something simply to bring up a viewpoint you may not have thought about?

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

03/07/2006 06:33:28 PM · #21

Originally posted by saracat:

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

I know what you mean. They sometimes even pose a question knowing full well that the recipient is at a disadvantage.

Perhaps to make you think about the answer?
Or to request more info after the challenge is over while maintaining anonymity?

There's more than one reason for posing a question. Have your teachers or parents never asked you something simply to bring up a viewpoint you may not have thought about?

This is often referred to as the Socratic method, named for a famous teacher who popularized the technique about 2500 years ago ... : )

graphicfunk