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12/24/2003 01:30:45 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
Originally posted by Pedro:
I refuse to pee in a cup just to submit a photo. |
Do they do a double blind taste test on that? (C: |
i'm not gonna taste anything! :-P |
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12/24/2003 01:31:13 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
I'm not real fond of this rule, my question is how many people then have access to the orginal file that is submitted? One member of site council or all of the council? |
I think we all do. EXIF data is parsed upon upload, and displayed on an otherwise typical photo page. I think we could also download the original if we wanted. |
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12/24/2003 01:33:46 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
Originally posted by Pedro:
I refuse to pee in a cup just to submit a photo. |
Do they do a double blind taste test on that? (C: |
From the Lawyer Joke collection:
Two physicians boarded a flight out of Seattle. One sat in the window seat, the other sat in the middle seat. Just before takeoff, an attorney got on and took the aisle seat next to the two physicians.
The attorney kicked off his shoes, wiggled his toes and was settling in when the physician in the window seat said," I think I'll get up and get a coke."
"No problem," said the attorney, "I'll get it for you."
While he was gone, one of the physicians picked up the attorney's shoe and spat in it.
When he returned with the coke, the other physician said, "That looks good, I think I'll have one too."
Again, the attorney obligingly went to fetch it and while he was gone, the other physician picked up the other shoe and spat in it. The attorney returned and they all sat back and enjoyed the flight. As the plane was landing, the attorney slipped his feet into his shoes and knew immediately what had happened.
"How long must this go on?" he asked. "This fighting between our professions? This hatred? This animosity? This spitting in shoes and pissing in cokes?" |
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12/24/2003 01:33:49 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
I'm not real fond of this rule, my question is how many people then have access to the orginal file that is submitted? One member of site council or all of the council? |
Does it matter? if you are required to give them the original as part of the contest, they couldn't steal it. You have the file and the camera that took the image. It's part of the EXIF. |
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12/24/2003 01:33:58 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by imagesloyola:
got a third place last challenge (simplicity), but i never got a request to submit the original file...maybe because i won in the photo of the day in digitalphotocontest.com (where they can view all the details of the submitted file)
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There was actually a request for proof on your image. Not sure why you didn't get it. I should probably look into that. Simplicity was the first challenge where we implimented this, so maybe a glitch? But just so you don't feel left out...we did submit a request for proof. :) |
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12/24/2003 01:36:11 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by MrCaN:
Why must we assume that all winners cheated? |
Maybe because we've been disqualifying 5-10% of the ribbon-winners for the last few weeks.
The rules state you have to have the original image. Asking for the top ten actually implies that we DON'T think anyone in particular cheated, unlike the DQ requests. |
Much thanks! I jsut sent a note explaining my situation.
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12/24/2003 01:42:23 AM · #32 |
I've submitted the original and the steps taken in post processing.
Is this normally done after the results are posted? The link on the email I got said that I should respond before voting ends but the email was sent after 12midnight.
Not having won a ribbon before, it makes me think that an actual disqualification request from a voter was made (perhaps within the last few minutes of the voting)... or this is normally done after the challenge. If my entry didn't win would I be notified of the fact?
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12/24/2003 01:47:21 AM · #33 |
The wording on the email is a generic one which is normally used during the voting period. In this case, the request is a "routine" one, necessarily made after the voting ended, but the same email was used.
As long as you followed the instructions everything should be fine. |
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12/24/2003 01:48:27 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by bruchen:
I've submitted the original and the steps taken in post processing.
Is this normally done after the results are posted? The link on the email I got said that I should respond before voting ends but the email was sent after 12midnight.
Not having won a ribbon before, it makes me think that an actual disqualification request from a voter was made (perhaps within the last few minutes of the voting)... or this is normally done after the challenge. If my entry didn't win would I be notified of the fact? |
We have recently begun requesting proof on all winners. We don't know who the winners are until after voting is over, so it obviously has to be done when the results are calculated. Since this is new, and the request for proof is semi-automatic, the same email is sent to everyone. We're working on getting that fixed. Sorry for any confusion. |
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12/24/2003 02:01:07 AM · #35 |
I did follow the instructions. Thank you both for clarifying.
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12/24/2003 02:20:29 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I think we all do. EXIF data is parsed upon upload, and displayed on an otherwise typical photo page. I think we could also download the original if we wanted. |
I don't understand why such great importance is being placed on EXIF data as a means of accurate photo information. EXIF data can be easily changed and saved to the original file with no one being the wiser. If someone is willing to stoop low enough to cheat, I'm sure they would take all possible steps to cover their tracks as well.
Will this original file proof requirement realistically catch more cheaters? |
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12/24/2003 02:34:17 AM · #37 |
Great move there SC peoples.
If anyone is worried as they'll be away when a challenge finishes, which is a valid point, maybe there should be a way to submit the original before being requested, or maybe there is already.
SC can always simply ignore it unless relevant.
Certainly solves a hell of a lot more problems than it causes :)
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12/24/2003 03:18:13 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by lykofos:
Will this original file proof requirement realistically catch more cheaters? |
Locks are made to keep the honest man, honest.
A theif will just as soon break a window.
Message edited by author 2003-12-24 03:20:36. |
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12/24/2003 03:25:58 AM · #39 |
What this will do is remove inappropriate ribbon-winners after a couple of days instead of after they've enjoyed the limelight for nearly a week.
If you have evidence of someone having successfully "cheated" you ought to be informing us instead of making generalizations.
Most DQ's are due to carelessness (not reading the rules about dates or filters) ... but the fact is we HAVE had some DQs. You are welcome to suggest a better system. |
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12/24/2003 04:55:34 AM · #40 |
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12/24/2003 05:06:11 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Check your mail. |
I have passed along your comments, thanks. |
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12/24/2003 05:44:30 AM · #42 |
| good idea.......so long you remember you guys have your date back to front for some reason ....its dd/mm/yy not mm/dd/yy |
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12/24/2003 07:17:38 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by Hoogie:
good idea.......so long you remember you guys have your date back to front for some reason ....its dd/mm/yy not mm/dd/yy |
Its annoying that isnt it :) It gets me every time!
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12/24/2003 07:29:54 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
[quote=imagesloyola]got a third place last challenge (simplicity), but i never got a request to submit the original file...maybe because i won in the photo of the day in digitalphotocontest.com (where they can view all the details of the submitted file)
There was actually a request for proof on your image. Not sure why you didn't get it. I should probably look into that. Simplicity was the first challenge where we implimented this, so maybe a glitch? But just so you don't feel left out...we did submit a request for proof. :) |
i didn't get a request on my #6 either.
Message edited by author 2003-12-24 08:43:06. |
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12/24/2003 07:43:25 AM · #45 |
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12/24/2003 08:23:01 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by lykofos:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I think we all do. EXIF data is parsed upon upload, and displayed on an otherwise typical photo page. I think we could also download the original if we wanted. |
I don't understand why such great importance is being placed on EXIF data as a means of accurate photo information. EXIF data can be easily changed and saved to the original file with no one being the wiser. If someone is willing to stoop low enough to cheat, I'm sure they would take all possible steps to cover their tracks as well.
Will this original file proof requirement realistically catch more cheaters? |
They are just questioning our integrity Mike. But we aren't suppose to question theirs. |
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12/24/2003 08:30:58 AM · #47 |
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12/24/2003 08:53:57 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by lykofos:
Will this original file proof requirement realistically catch more cheaters? |
I think the idea is to deter cheaters in the first place! As well as that, a lot of people break the rules without even realising.
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
They are just questioning our integrity Mike. But we aren't suppose to question theirs. |
As GeneralE said - people DO cheat (knowingly or otherwise). I really don't see how requesting proof questions my integrity. In fact, I should be so lucky to take a top 10 shot or one with enough pizzazz!
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12/24/2003 10:03:03 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by Natator:
If anyone is worried as they'll be away when a challenge finishes, which is a valid point, maybe there should be a way to submit the original before being requested, or maybe there is already. |
Couldn't you use the administrator note function available during the challenge voting? Same would apply if you were going to be out of town or away from the computer for a few days and you think you have a shot at winning - could you submit your original before you leave in case you won't have access to email for a few days?
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12/24/2003 10:05:13 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by tfaust:
Originally posted by Natator:
If anyone is worried as they'll be away when a challenge finishes, which is a valid point, maybe there should be a way to submit the original before being requested, or maybe there is already. |
Couldn't you use the administrator note function available during the challenge voting? Same would apply if you were going to be out of town or away from the computer for a few days and you think you have a shot at winning - could you submit your original before you leave in case you won't have access to email for a few days? |
I think that is an excellent idea. If your photo is scoring in the high 6 range or higher, it would be useful to do just this.
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