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09/17/2008 12:04:12 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I couldn't see details of the weathersealing other than it's "enhanced". Anybody help me out?
I'm pretty excited about it. 21MP is big for me as well as the expanded ISO for night shooting. Since I'm not a sports guy the 3.9fsp and fewer AF zones doesn't hurt me. I'd be interested in the video and how functional it is. Does the video capture audio? |
If you look at the images on DPReview, there's a mic socket by the N-3 remote terminal. |
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09/17/2008 12:23:41 PM · #52 |
It seems to have lot's of nice features - the only thing that really strikes me as a shame if that if it does 21mp at 3.5 fps, why can't it do say 6fps at the 11mp sRAW size ?
And would that be a software upgrade they could bring in later if they wanted to ? |
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09/17/2008 12:33:55 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
Originally posted by dwterry:
Anyway, I'll probably have one on order as soon as they're available. I've been wanting to upgrade my 5D for a long time, but just haven't wanted to jump to the 1Ds Mark III (or rather, to the $8500 price tag) to do it. |
Those who bought a 1DsIII will be sick now, won't they? |
Not if they have a shoot scheduled this week :) |
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09/17/2008 01:44:52 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
So "10mm an hour in 3 minutes" doesn't translate to "half a second totally underwater" while I flail around? |
Sidetrack... I was out in the surf with my family Labor Day weekend. My brother stepped on something odd in 5ft of water and pulled up a 30Gb iPod. I brought it home and rinsed it off, let it dry, put it in a bag with dessicant for a week, and then plugged it in. The darn thing TURNED ON... sort of. I haven't gotten past the 'battery charging' icon, but just seeing anything on an iPod screen fished out of the Atlantic Ocean is pretty remarkable IMO.
Back to the topic at hand... that kind of sensor is remarkable for the price. My only disappointment is the AF system, which seems inferior to the 40D. |
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09/17/2008 01:52:31 PM · #55 |
The hands-on preview has now been posted too, looks amazing...
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09/17/2008 01:56:58 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Back to the topic at hand... that kind of sensor is remarkable for the price. My only disappointment is the AF system, which seems inferior to the 40D. |
The only thing, specs-wise, that could be construed to imply that the 5D/5DII AF system is inferior to the 40D/50D system is that on the 40D/50D system, all 9 AF points are cross-type at f/5.6 or faster. But the 5D/5DII system also has 6 additional "invisible" points. How do the two compare in use? There is no definitive comparison that I'm specifically aware of, however I'd stick my neck out and say that there is no significant advantage either way. |
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09/17/2008 02:03:03 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Looks to be a camera I'll be picking up early next year once the AF is proven to work. |
You're going to have to swap out your 85/1.8 for a 100/2 in order to maintain your favorite focal length
:) |
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09/17/2008 02:05:17 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Sidetrack... I was out in the surf with my family Labor Day weekend. My brother stepped on something odd in 5ft of water and pulled up a 30Gb iPod. I brought it home and rinsed it off, let it dry, put it in a bag with dessicant for a week, and then plugged it in. The darn thing TURNED ON... sort of. I haven't gotten past the 'battery charging' icon, but just seeing anything on an iPod screen fished out of the Atlantic Ocean is pretty remarkable IMO. |
The fact that it remained under water was probably good for it as opposed to "dunked and dried" with the salt water remaining on it. It's a possibility that it might actually function normally, if not for the hard drive. That will almost definitely be dead for good. There is also the possibility that electrochemical corrosion driven by dissimilar metals in proximity may have damaged other areas. One key area that might be permanently damaged would be the display and the interconnect between the display and the other electronics.
I once lost a Nokia cell 'phone in the yard in the Summer, and didn't find it until late the next Spring, mashed face down in the dirt, apparently having been run over by the lawn tractor, perhaps several times, frozen through the Winter, and rained on for months. I took it in and rinsed it in distilled water, cleaned the dirt out, dried it and charged the battery. It worked, with the exception of the display. Replacing the display with one from a co-worker's dead 'phone of similar model restored it to full functionality. |
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09/17/2008 02:10:01 PM · #59 |
IMO there are two things to consider when buying a new body like this. 5D2 or 50D? What does the 5D2, at about twice the price, actually give you?
More MP - a real value to some, a hindrance to others.
FF - not sure what the real advantage is here other than a bit shallower DOF and ego. You can get just as wide on a crop body, you lose the extra length of a crop body on longer lenses, but you would get better fishey and a brighter viewfinder overall. Almost a wash on which is better. Becomes a very personal choice.
Better and more high-ISO on the 5D2 - a real advantage.
Video. Cool, but other than being the first on your block to have it, do you need it? If you did you'd prolly already have a video camera. A sign of things to come though.
At FF and 21mp cheapo lenses need not apply. I would assume as in the past a crop body would have a slight advantage here.
Fewer FPS and no built in flash, things one can really use at times. No substitue for FPS either.
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09/17/2008 02:18:17 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
FF - not sure what the real advantage is here other than a bit shallower DOF and ego. |
Noise control. |
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09/17/2008 02:21:27 PM · #61 |
| BTW, the hands on indicates that the 5D mark II does, in fact, have a microphone built in (along with a speaker). It also has a jack for a microphone. |
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09/17/2008 02:22:39 PM · #62 |
You make some good points. For me, the biggest reasons are:
- Super wide angle without resorting to EF-S (i.e. all of my cameras can share the same lenses, whereas EF-S restricts the lens to a given body).
- A 70-200 lens that feels "just right" for portrait work (as opposed to feeling "too long").
- Nice shallow DOF using that 70-200 lens.
- Image quality
I bought the 5D when it was $3000 and thought it was a "steal" at that price. For me, the 5D2 at 21mp repeats that same feeling for me. All other things being equal, I think Canon has "done it again". At least ... for me.
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09/17/2008 02:24:32 PM · #63 |
| Go figure, it also has IR ports for the RC1 and RC5 remote. I know it's not "professional", but I was very annoyed with the fact that the 5D couldn't use a cheap IR remote. |
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09/17/2008 02:26:58 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
FF - not sure what the real advantage is here other than a bit shallower DOF and ego. |
Choice of digital formats APS-C, APS-H, 35mm, MF is both a personal and a financial choice, of course, but it is also a technical choice.
There is no doubt that where a image quality is concerned, bigger is definitely better. Bigger sensors take advantage of as much of the total rendered detail in the lens's image circle as possible, while providing larger full-well electron capacity (better signal to noise, better dynamic range) and actually taking lens resolution *less* than a camera like the 50D within the central 2/3 of the frame.
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09/17/2008 02:34:56 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Go figure, it also has IR ports for the RC1 and RC5 remote. I know it's not "professional", but I was very annoyed with the fact that the 5D couldn't use a cheap IR remote. |
I just saw that! I too was real annoyed that the cheaper cameras had an IR port but that a full fledged camera apparently couldn't afford such a luxury.
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09/17/2008 03:26:07 PM · #66 |
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns1TYN4mPF0
wow already vids are going up? |
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09/17/2008 04:26:10 PM · #67 |
<-- waiting for the big brown truck with my D700
Re 5D looks ok but would like to see it in the real world
The vid is an interesting add ... as it is on the D90 ... the ability to use SLR lenses could be intriguing for some application |
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09/17/2008 08:00:55 PM · #68 |
| I don't see the appeal or reasoning behind putting a video mode in a camera meant for higher end amateurs. Don't know when it would ever be used especially sense the 5d is more of a stock, portrait, landscape camera. seems like the only people who are going to use this feature would be paparazzi. In my opinion it detracts from the camera, the idea of paying for a feature that I would never use as a photographer. |
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09/17/2008 08:03:01 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by bradshaw:
I don't see the appeal or reasoning behind putting a video mode in a camera meant for higher end amateurs. Don't know when it would ever be used especially sense the 5d is more of a stock, portrait, landscape camera. seems like the only people who are going to use this feature would be paparazzi. In my opinion it detracts from the camera, the idea of paying for a feature that I would never use as a photographer. |
Where are we getting the idea that a FF $2500 camera is for "higher end amateurs"? What do the pros use?
I would think the video was aimed specifically at the wedding photog who doesn't do video already.
Message edited by author 2008-09-17 20:03:34. |
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09/17/2008 08:06:03 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I would think the video was aimed specifically at the wedding photog who doesn't do video already. |
And the tech enthusiast who recently got an HDTV and despises his mini-DVD camcorder. =D
Imagine I can sell my camcorder for $250. It's now a $2450 FF camera.
Message edited by author 2008-09-17 20:06:54. |
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09/17/2008 08:25:17 PM · #71 |
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09/17/2008 08:30:00 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I would think the video was aimed specifically at the wedding photog who doesn't do video already. |
Make that a wedding photog with stabilized L lenses. |
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09/17/2008 08:45:39 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by smurfguy:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I would think the video was aimed specifically at the wedding photog who doesn't do video already. |
And the tech enthusiast who recently got an HDTV and despises his mini-DVD camcorder. =D
Imagine I can sell my camcorder for $250. It's now a $2450 FF camera. |
Yeah but you can pick up 1080p camcorders for a fifth the price of the 5dmk2. Not sure I see the point of C&N rolling the video features in. |
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09/17/2008 08:47:41 PM · #74 |
Let's all go over to the DPReview forums and chant, "Samples, samples, samples!"
And would it be too much to ask for better images and ISO ranges than the 50D? =) |
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09/17/2008 08:55:45 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by bradshaw:
Don't know when it would ever be used especially sense the 5d is more of a stock, portrait, landscape camera. |
Shhh..... don't tell all those wedding photographers that they bought the wrong camera, it'll just ruin their whole day. :(
I'm thinking the 5D Mark II is an awesome upgrade to the 5D for us wedding photographer types. And while I don't see myself doing video ... well ... I'll certainly give it a try. Could be something really cool to add to the otherwise static slide show.
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