Triptych III Rule Change - DPChallenge Forums

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

10/14/2009 07:43:40 PM · #26

In a way, it's a kind of a wierd maybe-interesting challenge: use software that doesn't do layers to create a triptych. A one-click it's-so-easy program, kind of like the photo-editing software they offer at 1-hour photo places. Some of the P&S cameras must come with this kind of software included, I would think. Or there's alwaysthe option of using a one photo & drawing some lines to divide it up into 3 sections.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

10/14/2009 07:49:08 PM · #27

Originally posted by pixelpig:

The thing of it is, all these programs use layers *conceptually*... I mean, think about it. You have image A, then you add image B, it has to be a new "layer", even if the software automatically flattens it...

R.

10/14/2009 08:01:48 PM · #28

Yes but it was not me who did it. I just press and something does it for me. I created no new pixels. There was no possible way for me to use the layer in a manner that violates Basic editing.

Olympus 7-14mm f/4.0 Zuiko Digital Zoom

10/14/2009 08:03:11 PM · #29

The more I think about it, the funnnier it gets. Basic editing rules is starting to feel like a Free Photo Booth.

one2one

Olympus E-5

10/14/2009 08:04:03 PM · #30

Why not just make this Advanced Editing rules and stop the uneasiness basic editing is creating among users of this site. Manipulating 3 images in basic is asking for trouble and taking the fun out of participating in this challenge.

Please

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

10/14/2009 08:07:21 PM · #31

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Yes but it was not me who did it. I just press and something does it for me. I created no new pixels. There was no possible way for me to use the layer in a manner that violates Basic editing.

Except that the layer itself violates basic editing. They've ruled this way before, when they used to distinguish between different plugins based on what they did "behind the scenes". It's a morass of ambiguity. It would be simpler just to make the challenge advanced editing, as Jac suggested.

R.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/14/2009 08:11:56 PM · #32

I've called this to Langdon's/SC's attention, but there's nothing anyone can do until he checks back in and considers the issues.

How about everyone just worry about creating the source images for now, and wait until he addresses this to perform your final edits ... unless you plan to "give up" and submit a single, divided image instead of a grouping of three images, the ultimate editing rules shouldn't really affect what you conceptualize or shoot. The submission deadline is still several days away ...

Message edited by author 2009-10-14 20:13:18.

albc28

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

10/14/2009 08:13:33 PM · #33

Originally posted by GeneralE:

HEY I suggested it first!

10/14/2009 08:16:14 PM · #34

Originally posted by GeneralE:

well I would rather have advanced editing. Now that I think of it I can't divide up a single image to create triptych in Basic editing because even that is adding extra pixels to the original image except for the outer border. [eta] wait! I just had an idea, I could use an old window frame to create a triptych frame & prop it up in the FG. hmm...I think I can get a triptych frame at Hobby Lobby. I don't really expect Langdon to change a thing.

Message edited by author 2009-10-14 20:22:05.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/14/2009 08:20:58 PM · #35

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by pixelpig:
Yes but it was not me who did it. I just press and something does it for me. I created no new pixels. There was no possible way for me to use the layer in a manner that violates Basic editing.

Except that the layer itself violates basic editing. They've ruled this way before, when they used to distinguish between different plugins based on what they did "behind the scenes". It's a morass of ambiguity. It would be simpler just to make the challenge advanced editing, as Jac suggested.

R.

"a morass of ambiguity" would make a fine title for a triptych! "D

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

10/14/2009 08:21:29 PM · #36

I included the issue of frames dividing a single image (not just going around the outside) in my note.

mefnj

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

10/14/2009 08:58:01 PM · #37

Originally posted by pixelpig:

now see, THIS is using your brain to be creative in BASIC, instead of all that PS/whatever hocus-pocus!

Nikon AF-S DX 18-105 f/3.5-5.6 ED VR

10/14/2009 09:00:18 PM · #38

Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by pixelpig:
well I would rather have advanced editing. Now that I think of it I can't divide up a single image to create triptych in Basic editing because even that is adding extra pixels to the original image except for the outer border. [eta] wait! I just had an idea, I could use an old window frame to create a triptych frame & prop it up in the FG. hmm...I think I can get a triptych frame at Hobby Lobby. I don't really expect Langdon to change a thing.

now see, THIS is using your brain to be creative in BASIC, instead of all that PS/whatever hocus-pocus!

I guess everybody knows by now that photoshop is just a way to overcompensate for a lack of creative talent. [eta] joke! *J*O*K*E*

Message edited by author 2009-10-14 21:01:23.

dustingooding

Nikon D90

10/14/2009 09:09:07 PM · #39

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by GeneralE:
I've called this to Langdon's/SC's attention, but there's nothing anyone can do until he checks back in and considers the issues.

How about everyone just worry about creating the source images for now, and wait until he addresses this to perform your final edits ... unless you plan to "give up" and submit a single, divided image instead of a grouping of three images, the ultimate editing rules shouldn't really affect what you conceptualize or shoot. The submission deadline is still several days away ...

well I would rather have advanced editing. Now that I think of it I can't divide up a single image to create triptych in Basic editing because even that is adding extra pixels to the original image except for the outer border. [eta] wait! I just had an idea, I could use an old window frame to create a triptych frame & prop it up in the FG. hmm...I think I can get a triptych frame at Hobby Lobby. I don't really expect Langdon to change a thing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the point of Basic is that it focuses more on the skill of the photographer, not the photo editor. "Basic Editing permits overall adjustments to help polish your captured image. These rules are intended to allow you to fine tune your entry and correct basic imperfections in exposure, contrast, color, etc." The way I read that is, "Get your shot as right as you can, and you can key up a few things... but primarily, get your shot as right as you can."

So if this is a Basic triptych challenge, shouldn't we be required to capture a triptych in one shot and then "correct basic imperfections"? And doesn't that make it all the more challenging (and interesting)?

I mean... anybody can take three shots and paste them together in PS... ;)

Message edited by author 2009-10-14 21:10:34.

BeefnCheez

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

10/14/2009 10:05:41 PM · #40

Listen up:

In advance editing you are only allowed to put a border around the image itself. Under the advance ruleset think about how you could do this? you couldn't? You aren't allowed to even take 3 seperate images of different matter. So in this regard there is no difference between basic and advanced. So how did they do this before you ask, because each image is seen as individuals to which the rules are applied.

So for basic, there is no difference. However you get to use 3 images. The rules apply to each image individually, borders and all. Except you must combine them all on the correct size canvas.

Think of it this way: Each image alone must be basic editing, then because it's triptych (and only b/c it's triptych) you may place these images together.

Message edited by author 2009-10-14 22:09:02.