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12/23/2003 09:23:41 AM · #1
As I score the photos in the challenges, I sometimes find myself thinking, "Too easy! They just set something on a table and took a picture." Some of the toy cars in the "vehicles" challenge come to mind.

Not that there can't be some very interesting, clever indoor shots!

But do you score higher (maybe without really thinking about it) for photos that make you think the photographer made a significant effort to get the shot?
12/23/2003 09:28:29 AM · #2
I dont score on how hard the shot was to get, I simply score on the final outcome of the photo.
12/23/2003 09:34:56 AM · #3
This time of year, three kids, and other distractions...not alot of time to think about it, but keep entering for the fun.
12/23/2003 09:49:31 AM · #4
I'm not voting on the amount ot work that was put in a picture either. However, I think that very often more work was put in the good pitures compared to the not so good ones.

Originally posted by dirtkahuna:

As I score the photos in the challenges, I sometimes find myself thinking, "Too easy!...


I think often "Too snap-shooty". This often aplies to outdoor-images.

Originally posted by dirtkahuna:

Not that there can't be some very interesting, clever indoor shots!


I do not see a link between the amount of work put into a picture and "in-door" versus "out-door".
There are winning out-door shots where the photographer just had to be at the right time at the right place and had to press the bottom, no hard work at all.
And there are in-door images showing a lot of creativity in setting up the scene, the light etc.

Jörg
12/23/2003 10:09:31 AM · #5
I agree with dirtkahuna that some of the toy vehicles looked "Too easy" However there were some quality photos in that group too. It's wrong to think that indoor, or "set-up" shots, take less effort that outdoor shots. That's an over-generalization. But I do tend to reward obvious effort in some shots even if they don't turn out to be stunners; and I lean toward a lower vote on the ones that look to be lacking in effort unless they have real wow.
12/23/2003 10:15:46 AM · #6
I thought this was gonna be a thread about how hard people had to work to come up with specific shots for example:

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It was like 35 degrees out (USA close to 0 everywhere else!) and I was sitting on unstable rocks in the river with tripod in water to capture the storm sewer run off! The whole time I kept thinking 'god I bet that water is cold!'
12/23/2003 10:19:04 AM · #7
Originally posted by TooCool:

I thought this was gonna be a thread about how hard people had to work to come up with specific shots for example:

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It was like 35 degrees out (USA close to 0 everywhere else!) and I was sitting on unstable rocks in the river with tripod in water to capture the storm sewer run off! The whole time I kept thinking 'god I bet that water is cold!'


I was thinking the same thing. I often wonder what lengths dpc'ers will go to, to get their shots!
12/23/2003 10:25:11 AM · #8
Originally posted by lhall:

I was thinking the same thing. I often wonder what lengths dpc'ers will go to, to get their shots!


Maybe we need start our own thread!
12/23/2003 10:34:48 AM · #9
I try (!!) to judge on result only. But if I see flaws that could easily have been removed with a little extra effort, I tend to weigh those quite heavy.
12/23/2003 10:49:28 AM · #10
Sometimes the simplest of shots look the best, and from what the DPC'ers have said, they didn't take long to set up.

Examples :

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Kiwinesssays 'Pretty basic really, just filled a syringe with water and wrote H2O onto some vinyl.'

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AGWright says 'Three wee jugs on a white background and one spotlight'

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My highest scoring picture was a last minute entry.Through the comments I know what I could have done better and went back to try it again. (Haven't uploaded though...)
12/23/2003 11:18:17 AM · #11
Originally posted by brownt:

Sometimes the simplest of shots look the best, and from what the DPC'ers have said, they didn't take long to set up.

That's true: a clear, easy understandable concept is in most cases better and the examples you posted show that very well.

Originally posted by brownt:


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I agree: the setup is simple, but Kiwi also wrote in his comment:
"Used a polarizer to avoid reflections. Soft box from the left and a bounced flash of some black board behind the water drops."

Hence I would say that he "worked hard" on it. Of course with his knowledge and his great equipment he might not say that it was hard, but for most of us, setting up the light etc. would have been very hard.

For the second image this is propably also true: the light is set so well, this does not come by itself.

I wonder, how many images people take for a challenge.


12/23/2003 11:18:30 AM · #12
This past week I returned 3 times to location under very windy and cold conditions to try to get the kind of shot I would have been happy with for the upcoming challenge. I'm not totally happy with my entry, but I can honestly say that I was consumed by it and worked hard at getting it. I could have easily wound up with frost bite and I'm going to have to try to find thin, but warm, gloves if I'm going to be doing this kind of thing again. Very hard to operate the camera when you don't have feeling in your hands. lol
12/23/2003 12:26:06 PM · #13
Originally posted by Olyuzi:

Very hard to operate the camera when you don't have feeling in your hands. lol


I visited Mono Lake in January and my best shots were made early in the morning when it was <20 degrees. One of my fellow diehard photographers nearly got burnt by his frozen tripod. I also posted an entry a couple of days ago, for which I waited around for about an hour and a half for five minutes of good light.

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that 'good' outdoor shots require more effort than indoor shots, because you have little or no control over your subject. The Taoist philosophy doesn't really apply to a still-life with a toy car.
12/23/2003 12:29:16 PM · #14
Originally posted by Harz_Joerg:

I wonder, how many images people take for a challenge.


None. My challenge entries are usually coincidental with a challenge. I usually look at DPC after working on the day's shots, and sometimes I find a challenge worth entering.
12/23/2003 01:53:04 PM · #15
When I did submit, I used to take a while to try to set up my shot right. This particular shot took a Full Week to plan, build, and compose. ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/60/11624.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/60/11624.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' I was very bummed at the place it took. I did not submit for a while after that. As far as the shots that I would submit, I took hours just to shoot them. That Marble shot I have in my Portfolio took about 2-400 shots to get.

John (TurboTech)

12/23/2003 02:05:32 PM · #16
Originally posted by ronners:

Originally posted by Harz_Joerg:

I wonder, how many images people take for a challenge.


None. My challenge entries are usually coincidental with a challenge. I usually look at DPC after working on the day's shots, and sometimes I find a challenge worth entering.


Same here. I often go weeks without submitting to a challenge because the shots I took that week just don't happen to meet the challenge criteria. Although, occasionally I find it fun to go out and search for that perfect shot for a challenge. But I always go out and seek the shot, rather than setting something up at home.
12/23/2003 03:44:02 PM · #17
My two best scores were a result of extra work, hiking and mountain climbing. The extra effort did result in good scores.
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12/23/2003 03:46:37 PM · #18
Originally posted by dirtkahuna:

As I score the photos in the challenges, I sometimes find myself thinking, "Too easy! They just set something on a table and took a picture." Some of the toy cars in the "vehicles" challenge come to mind.

Not that there can't be some very interesting, clever indoor shots!

But do you score higher (maybe without really thinking about it) for photos that make you think the photographer made a significant effort to get the shot?


I never consider this when i look at a photo. How hard or easy it was to do doesn't really make any difference to me as a viewer. The image will either have or not have visual/emotional impact. I don't believe the degree of difficulty of a shot is relevant. I also think it's quite impossible to determine how easy/difficult a shot may have been by looking at it. The degree of difficulty may be dependent on the experience of the photographer.

12/23/2003 04:44:10 PM · #19
I fully understand that indoor photos can be every bit as challenging as outdoor shots. If a photo is truly wonderful, I score it what it deserves whether it's an indooor or outdoor shot.

But for those of us in the colder climates, it requires a good deal of fortitude to bundle up and go out in search of the prefect image.

Just last Sunday morning, the sunrise was spectacular. It was 15 degrees outside, but I threw on my running shoes and tromped a mile across a field to take the shot. I was freezing when I got back, and the photos wern't good enough for me to publish. But if was still worth the effort, because I learned from my mistakes. I'll get that sunrise another day!
12/23/2003 04:47:45 PM · #20
John is right. You can't tell how difficult or easy a shot is just by looking at it. I know for me it often takes hours of tweaking before I am happy with a shot and sometimes the best photos are the ones that look simple but aren't. I judge only on the result.
12/23/2003 04:54:16 PM · #21
How did you do that one Turbo, I love it.

Mine are a mix. SOme I have taken huge amoun ts of effort on have crashed and burned. The one I have for edges was a snapshot, saw a chance, took the photo in a mad hurry. Don't know how it will do in the challenge, but it is a great shot technically.

Sometimes luck plays a part.
12/23/2003 07:53:36 PM · #22
Just because a picture looks like it was easily done it doesn't mean it was easy. It might mean that I trick you into thinking I used a 10 megapixel monster camera instead of my little 1 megapixel webcam. Unfortunately you don't know until after the challenge is over.

You really don't know what a photographer went through to take the picture.Until you read the photographer's comment if they decide to include it after the challenge is over.
12/23/2003 09:48:16 PM · #23
I did put much effort in to these ones.

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It was -10°c and snowing while I sat in the snow (and sometimes stood) for over than hour. Just in my jeans an jacket because it wasn't the plan to go out and take these, just saw the waterfall and remebered the water competition. When I came in I was so cold I took a hot bath but still got a little sick. But in spite of the uncomfortness I'm so happy that I did, simply because these are my best work. Possibly profing that working hard for your shot really pays off at the end !
12/23/2003 09:51:23 PM · #24
It did pay off OsKar, these are beautiful photographs.
12/23/2003 09:53:50 PM · #25
I agree, those are incredible images, Oskar!

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