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05/05/2010 05:01:57 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by Seant018:
Originally posted by bassbone:
A small point of clarification....A 3.77 vote given is not what 90% of other voters grade on. The average vote given is around 5.5 for all votes. |
Please read what I said. If the average vote is 5.5, then that is the scale I will grade on. If my average score was 7, I was obviously rating pictures way higher than I should have been, according to the DPC average. |
Excellent Sean! I am sure the rest of the DPC community are eager for you to actually vote that way! |
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05/05/2010 05:02:49 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by Seant018:
Originally posted by bassbone:
A small point of clarification....A 3.77 vote given is not what 90% of other voters grade on. The average vote given is around 5.5 for all votes. |
Please read what I said. If the average vote is 5.5, then that is the scale I will grade on. If my average score was 7, I was obviously rating pictures way higher than I should have been, according to the DPC average. |
But you aren't - your average is 3.77 . . . so uncool the average image on DPC is not 3.77 |
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05/05/2010 05:03:35 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by Seant018:
Originally posted by bassbone:
A small point of clarification....A 3.77 vote given is not what 90% of other voters grade on. The average vote given is around 5.5 for all votes. |
Please read what I said. If the average vote is 5.5, then that is the scale I will grade on. If my average score was 7, I was obviously rating pictures way higher than I should have been, according to the DPC average. |
He's speaking of your voting record. You have voted on 499 entries yet only given a 3.77 average vote. That's pretty harsh. You should peruse the forums for tips on voting fairly. There are plenty of threads...
back to the show...
Votes: 50
Views: 95
Avg Vote: 5.0000
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0 |
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05/05/2010 05:07:39 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by Seant018:
Originally posted by bassbone:
A small point of clarification....A 3.77 vote given is not what 90% of other voters grade on. The average vote given is around 5.5 for all votes. |
Please read what I said. If the average vote is 5.5, then that is the scale I will grade on. If my average score was 7, I was obviously rating pictures way higher than I should have been, according to the DPC average. |
But you aren't - your average is 3.77 . . . so uncool the average image on DPC is not 3.77 |
The fact that you have a 5.39xx in this challenge with everyone else's low votes doesn't really explain your attitude about 'payback' for low votes. |
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05/05/2010 05:12:05 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by Seant018:
Originally posted by bassbone:
A small point of clarification....A 3.77 vote given is not what 90% of other voters grade on. The average vote given is around 5.5 for all votes. |
Please read what I said. If the average vote is 5.5, then that is the scale I will grade on. If my average score was 7, I was obviously rating pictures way higher than I should have been, according to the DPC average. |
But you aren't - your average is 3.77 . . . so uncool the average image on DPC is not 3.77 |
The fact that you have a 5.39xx in this challenge with everyone else's low votes doesn't really explain your attitude about 'payback' for low votes. |
I tell you what, and anyone else who replied. Point out a picture in a previous challenge I voted on, I will tell you my score and why I gave it.
And for the record, if the average vote is 5.5, I have voted 4.00 on this sports challenge. I think most of these pictures are below average, and what about the staged photographs in this challenge... That doesn't show action, it shows planning and taking a lot of pictures until you get the look you want. |
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05/05/2010 05:16:28 PM · #106 |
| So I just went and looked at the past Sports challenges and it seems that the description means nothing. The high scores were mostly posed eye candy type stuff and not true action thoughts. I should have just shot a sunset landscape with maybe a golf club or something. Sigh. |
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05/05/2010 05:18:33 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by Seant018:
That doesn't show action, it shows planning and taking a lot of pictures until you get the look you want. |
Not sure why planning is such a terrible thing. Isn't that what this site is about? Planning your shot and taking many (many) pictures to get the look you want.
I can certainly say I've never snapped ONE shot and said to myself... ok, that's it, I now have my challenge entry. |
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05/05/2010 05:21:38 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by Seant018:
My point is this. More than likely, people judge pictures in comparison to their own. They think their little league shot, with no difference than any of the tens of thousands of other little league shots, is a great picture. Because they think their picture is great, they vote on the other pictures according to how great they think their picture is. Then you get the people who do actually have a great picture, and they go through dishing out tons of 1's and 2's, or maybe a little better, just to give their picture the edge. |
I think you are assuming a lot here, and those assumptions are pretty flawed i'd say. I don't think that is how the majority of DPC people vote at all. In fact, judging by what you've posted in this thread, i'd say what you are doing is projecting how you vote onto the other members. Which is incredibly naive and pretty much wrong. I also think it is slightly rude. As is the attack on 'little league shots'. |
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05/05/2010 05:21:59 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by jminso:
So I just went and looked at the past Sports challenges and it seems that the description means nothing. The high scores were mostly posed eye candy type stuff and not true action thoughts. I should have just shot a sunset landscape with maybe a golf club or something. Sigh. |
This adds to what I was saying... The description even says "Capture the action of any sport" It doesn't say, set up the action and shoot until you get the desired look. A lot of the best sports photographers are the best not because they can set up a shot, but because they know where to look, they know where the action will be, and they are prepared for it. If you are setting up a shot for sports, it is in essence just a portrait. |
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05/05/2010 05:23:04 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by Tammster:
Originally posted by Seant018:
That doesn't show action, it shows planning and taking a lot of pictures until you get the look you want. |
Not sure why planning is such a terrible thing. Isn't that what this site is about? Planning your shot and taking many (many) pictures to get the look you want.
I can certainly say I've never snapped ONE shot and said to myself... ok, that's it, I now have my challenge entry. |
Yeah but the thing with this challenge, at least I had originally thought, was it was more about really capturing the action of a sport more then posing and planning setups and eye candy. I will learn one day. |
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05/05/2010 05:24:32 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by jminso:
So I just went and looked at the past Sports challenges and it seems that the description means nothing. The high scores were mostly posed eye candy type stuff and not true action thoughts. I should have just shot a sunset landscape with maybe a golf club or something. Sigh. |
Really? I did the same and found that most of the top 20 of each of the past three sport challenges were 'action' shots. |
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05/05/2010 05:28:41 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by jminso:
So I just went and looked at the past Sports challenges and it seems that the description means nothing. The high scores were mostly posed eye candy type stuff and not true action thoughts. I should have just shot a sunset landscape with maybe a golf club or something. Sigh. |
Really? I did the same and found that most of the top 20 of each of the past three sport challenges were 'action' shots. |
Yeah but not with the sport I chose lol |
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05/05/2010 05:34:08 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by Seant018:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by Seant018:
Originally posted by bassbone:
A small point of clarification....A 3.77 vote given is not what 90% of other voters grade on. The average vote given is around 5.5 for all votes. |
Please read what I said. If the average vote is 5.5, then that is the scale I will grade on. If my average score was 7, I was obviously rating pictures way higher than I should have been, according to the DPC average. |
But you aren't - your average is 3.77 . . . so uncool the average image on DPC is not 3.77 |
The fact that you have a 5.39xx in this challenge with everyone else's low votes doesn't really explain your attitude about 'payback' for low votes. |
I tell you what, and anyone else who replied. Point out a picture in a previous challenge I voted on, I will tell you my score and why I gave it.
And for the record, if the average vote is 5.5, I have voted 4.00 on this sports challenge. I think most of these pictures are below average, and what about the staged photographs in this challenge... That doesn't show action, it shows planning and taking a lot of pictures until you get the look you want. |
How do you figure? You say this grouping of shots is below average and yet - your average vote given for this challenge is above your average for other challenges you have voted in. Hmmm - not making a lot of sense to me.
Message edited by author 2010-05-05 17:34:45. |
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05/05/2010 05:35:29 PM · #114 |
| Eh, I'm just down about my score is all. I just need to try harder is all. Maybe my entry will end up finishes pretty well anyway, it is on the climb. |
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05/05/2010 05:42:41 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by Seant018:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by Seant018:
Originally posted by bassbone:
A small point of clarification....A 3.77 vote given is not what 90% of other voters grade on. The average vote given is around 5.5 for all votes. |
Please read what I said. If the average vote is 5.5, then that is the scale I will grade on. If my average score was 7, I was obviously rating pictures way higher than I should have been, according to the DPC average. |
But you aren't - your average is 3.77 . . . so uncool the average image on DPC is not 3.77 |
The fact that you have a 5.39xx in this challenge with everyone else's low votes doesn't really explain your attitude about 'payback' for low votes. |
I tell you what, and anyone else who replied. Point out a picture in a previous challenge I voted on, I will tell you my score and why I gave it.
And for the record, if the average vote is 5.5, I have voted 4.00 on this sports challenge. I think most of these pictures are below average, and what about the staged photographs in this challenge... That doesn't show action, it shows planning and taking a lot of pictures until you get the look you want. |
How do you figure? You say this grouping of shots is below average and yet - your average vote given for this challenge is above your average for other challenges you have voted in. Hmmm - not making a lot of sense to me. |
Lets see, because as someone else mentioned, I have only been here a few weeks, and also because I voted on all 170 images in this challenge. Part of the challenge for almost any challenge here is originality. It is easy to quickly vote that unoriginal, unexceptional water drop as a 1 or 2. |
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05/05/2010 05:42:52 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by jminso:
Eh, I'm just down about my score is all. I just need to try harder is all. Maybe my entry will end up finishes pretty well anyway, it is on the climb. |
I don't think people are arguing with you  jminso, rather taking issue with some of  Seant018's thoughts.
Message edited by author 2010-05-05 17:43:56. |
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05/05/2010 05:58:56 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by jminso:
Eh, I'm just down about my score is all. I just need to try harder is all. Maybe my entry will end up finishes pretty well anyway, it is on the climb. |
I don't think people are arguing with you jminso, rather taking issue with some of Seant018's thoughts. |
Spot on Seant018 complains that he is getting low scores and going to vote in response. Meanwhile, his average vote given was already 3.77 (not at a flat 4.0) and his own image is at a 5.4. Not quite understanding his rationale - not that there would be one for low-balling. |
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05/05/2010 06:19:27 PM · #118 |
omg....if i have to vote on one more little league photo............. ;)
Just jokes, great job everyone! But i can't stand soccer, so..........
ETA:
:)
Message edited by author 2010-05-05 18:20:38. |
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05/05/2010 06:24:03 PM · #119 |
I don't understand what all the arguing over how people vote does anything. As long as you are not purposely sabotaging others for personal gain then it is democratic, right? you can vote how you want and as long as it is consistent it is fair. I never give out a 10 unless I really love the image, my high votes usually are 7.
I see photography as art and so I vote on how well I like the image regardless of how well it meets the challenge (as long as it isn't completely off base).
If someone votes on a lower scale and hardly or never gives out a 10 I don't see what the big deal is.
There are vastly varying tastes on this site and just because the majority go for "eye candy" I don't believe that there is automatically something wrong or unfair just because someone has a low average vote cast.
This is all meant with the greatest respect and I am not defending trolls ;)
I am quite picky myself.
Feel free to check out my stats:
Challenges Entered: 24
Votes Cast: 2,655
Avg Vote Cast: 4.7740
Votes Received: 3,902
Avg Vote Received: 5.4705
Comments:
Made: 163
Helpful: 132
Received: 205
Helpful: 186
User's favorites: (view all)
Photographers: 1
Photographs: 12
Back to the thread topic:
Sports IV
Votes: 49
Views: 112
Avg Vote: 4.5510
I wasn't expecting it to do well here so i'm not shocked... |
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05/05/2010 06:44:46 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by Seant018:
If 10 is perfect on a normal scale, but the winners receive an average of lets say 7, how is it any different if I curve my perfect score down to 7? |
The reason the killer shots are usually in the 6's and 7's is because everyone has their own opinion and you are seeing the average of opinions. Everyone has different criteria and there are different things that appeal to everyone. For instance, I like humorous shots, while someone else may feel they are not artistic expression and low vote them. Take a look at some voting breakdowns for recently ended challenges. On many photos you will see they received some very high votes, and some very low ones as well. Why compress the scale even further?
Originally posted by Seant018:
My point is this. More than likely, people judge pictures in comparison to their own. |
That is an unfair generalization, though I do know there are some that vote that way. I also know of one member who started off voting that way and later realized how unfair that was. For myself, I try to vote each entry on it's own merit, primarily according to how good it is, though personal appeal and preferences do play a part in the subjective evaluation.
Originally posted by Seant018:
I merely said I was grading on the same scale 90% of the other voters grade on. |
I have no idea where you get such a number from.
Oh, and to answer your earlier question, you can figure out the individual votes with a spreadsheet. Check klkitchens profile page. He has created a good spreadsheet and has a link to it on his profile page.
Message edited by author 2010-05-05 18:49:50. |
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05/05/2010 06:45:56 PM · #121 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Seant018:
If 10 is perfect on a normal scale, but the winners receive an average of lets say 7, how is it any different if I curve my perfect score down to 7? |
The reason the killer shots are usually in the 6's and 7's is because everyone has their own opinion and you are seeing the average of opinions. Everyone has different criteria and there are different things that appeal to everyone. For instance, I like humorous shots, while someone else may feel they are not artistic expression and hence low vote them.
Originally posted by Seant018:
My point is this. More than likely, people judge pictures in comparison to their own. |
That is an unfair generalization, though I do know there are some that vote that way. I also know of one member who started off voting that way and later realized how unfair that was. For myself, I try to vote each entry on it's own merit, primarily according to how good it is, though personal appeal and preferences do play a part in the subjective evaluation.
Originally posted by Seant018:
I merely said I was grading on the same scale 90% of the other voters grade on. |
I have no idea where you get such a number from. |
Didn't you know 87% of statistics are made up? |
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05/05/2010 06:49:35 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by JaimeVinas:
The photographer cannot control the subjects, the lighting and the environment. It wasnt easy. |
That depends on the sport that you choose to photograph :) |
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05/05/2010 06:49:38 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I have no idea where you get such a number from. |
A very vivid imagination i think. Which, as this is photography site, should come in useful! Join him up for the DPL!! |
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05/05/2010 07:15:09 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by jminso:
Originally posted by Tammster:
Originally posted by Seant018:
That doesn't show action, it shows planning and taking a lot of pictures until you get the look you want. |
Not sure why planning is such a terrible thing. Isn't that what this site is about? Planning your shot and taking many (many) pictures to get the look you want.
I can certainly say I've never snapped ONE shot and said to myself... ok, that's it, I now have my challenge entry. |
Yeah but the thing with this challenge, at least I had originally thought, was it was more about really capturing the action of a sport more then posing and planning setups and eye candy. I will learn one day. |
Everyone clearly interprets it different and no one is wrong.
I just think that the ability to "capture" action can be just as hard if it's planned as if it's not. You have to understand shutter speed and composition and everything that makes up a good picture. If a photographer gets a really good shot that's not planned, maybe (just maybe) he's just one lucky son-of-a-gun. So the guy who just walked up to a tennis match (or whatever) and happens to capture something amazing (by pure luck) should get a higher score than someone who spent hours trying to understand how to get the camera to do what he wanted it to do (stop action, blurred motion, etc) and made his poor kid dunk his basketball a hundred times in an hour (I did do that once)???
I guess my point is that I don't see how a spontaneous shot should necessarily score higher than a planned one. |
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05/05/2010 07:20:24 PM · #125 |
Took awhile but finally hit the 50 vote mark
Votes: 50
Views: 113
Avg Vote: 5.4200 |
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