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05/06/2010 07:21:18 AM · #151 |
Originally posted by Skip:
Originally posted by Judi:
I will say, without giving away my image, that not all images are taken with one subject in mind! Sometimes more than one subject is needed to tell the story. |
while that is true, sometimes it just doesn't work out because the proximity of the participants creates too much distracting dead space. that's one of the challenges of shooting sports, trying to get all the story-telling pieces into a strong composition. sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. that's why most the most often heard words from sports editors are, "SHOOT TIGHTER!"
i'm really looking forward to the end of this challenge, to see who's who and what falls where ;-) |
Fair call!
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05/06/2010 07:43:20 AM · #152 |
Votes: 60
Views: 116
Avg Vote: 5.0333
Comments: 1
Very dissapointing indeed. Constructive comment which is very much appreciated by  Skipthank you. |
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05/06/2010 08:22:30 AM · #153 |
Originally posted by Skip:
you guys kill me. thanks for the shouts; i hope my comments were helpful and that i didn't p!ss off too many people...
there were some pretty amazing images in that challenge, as well as a number that, imho, d n m c. all the same, i commented on all of them. some people got better comments than others; if you feel yours was lacking, let me know. it won't affect the score.
as i shoot and edit for a living, i have a little different perspective on things. i've put together a semi summary of comments that might be useful for some, especially those shooting little league or youth sports.
fwiw, each time they have a sports challenge, the quality of images goes up. keep it up, and this will be one of the more competitive challenges the site runs! |
I really, really appreciate your comment but I have to disagree. I was still happy to get it but I think we're looking at the picture differently! :) |
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05/06/2010 08:41:33 AM · #154 |
Originally posted by Skip:
i've put together a semi summary of comments that might be useful for some, especially those shooting little league or youth sports. |
Thanks for the commenting effort. I found your comment rather curious, until I read your blog post, then I understood your point. |
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05/06/2010 08:51:26 AM · #155 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Skip:
i've put together a semi summary of comments that might be useful for some, especially those shooting little league or youth sports. |
Thanks for the commenting effort. I found your comment rather curious, until I read your blog post, then I understood your point. |
That's funny. After reading Skip's blog I became confused about his sentiment on my challenge entry comment as my photo meets some of his posted criteria. ??? Oh well...I like Skip, always have, always will. :-) |
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05/06/2010 09:46:54 AM · #156 |
yo, barry! pm me if you're confused. my votes are locked down. i've reviewed them twice and nothing's moving.
just by virtue of commenting, i looked at each image for more than a couple seconds, so even though i haven't looked at any image as long as the shooter has, i did try to see what there was to see. but you never know...it's quite possible i overlooked some subtleties here and there ;-)
fwiw, i was pretty much looking at the images in terms of being a decent action shot; if it didn't strike me as one as presented, i tried to look at it in terms of what, if anything, could be done to make it one. my summary was an overall view; there are plenty of images that would be exceptions.
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05/06/2010 12:24:49 PM · #157 |
well i didn't pick my name for nothing. although i really expected more from this shot. ahh well do we ever really figure out the dpc voters? (aside from a select few that is)
Votes: 77
Views: 132
Avg Vote: 4.7143
(note - love my comment from skip, very constructive, thanks)
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05/06/2010 12:43:32 PM · #158 |
Originally posted by Skip:
yo, barry! pm me if you're confused. my votes are locked down. i've reviewed them twice and nothing's moving.
just by virtue of commenting, i looked at each image for more than a couple seconds, so even though i haven't looked at any image as long as the shooter has, i did try to see what there was to see. but you never know...it's quite possible i overlooked some subtleties here and there ;-)
fwiw, i was pretty much looking at the images in terms of being a decent action shot; if it didn't strike me as one as presented, i tried to look at it in terms of what, if anything, could be done to make it one. my summary was an overall view; there are plenty of images that would be exceptions. |
Skippy: knowing what your are (because of your work examples), I am taking your comment as an award in itself. I would go as far as suggesting that every Sports challenge you pick out your personal 3 favorites and share them in the forum, will be a huge encouragement for everyone!
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05/06/2010 01:04:41 PM · #159 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Skippy: knowing what your are (because of your work examples), I am taking your comment as an award in itself. I would go as far as suggesting that every Sports challenge you pick out your personal 3 favorites and share them in the forum, will be a huge encouragement for everyone! |
thanks, prash. and may be we'll do something like that. there are a few other really good sports shooters here, as well, that do contribute tons (especially matto).
and, to clarify or muddy, depending on how you see it, someone asked me for a little more explanation and this is a paraphrase of my response:
when shooting sports, you're trying to capture a defining moment that sums up in one image the essence of the sport. so you really want action or elements of activity that put the audience in the moment in such a way that they can feel what it's like to be there.
some "rules"
1) include the ball
2) no ball? include the face with an expression
3) no face? go for an iconic/graphic image that represents the sport
shooting sports is work...it is NOT automatic. unfortunately, most GWCs produce nothing more than eye-level documentations that something got in front of their cameras. i live and shoot in the real world where the pursuit is of the best imperfect photo possible. there are too many variables to control to be able to come up with a perfect photo...
which is why a little blur here and there doesn't wig me out. it's one thing if you're in a situation where your equipment will totally freeze something (i have a killer of andy roddick serving; he hit the ball so hard it knocked the sweat off his arm and my shot has those little beads of sweat hanging in air while his arm is blurred in motion). on the other hand, a little motion gives an image a sense of dynamic. the little imperfections also tell us the image was captured by a human, not a security camera.
it's unfortunate when people are looking for absolute perfection, especially when they're incapable of producing it... |
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05/06/2010 01:16:50 PM · #160 |
And down my shot goes
Votes: 70
Views: 141
Avg Vote: 5.3714
But The one comment I got has my spirits lifted.
eta:
last 2 votes were nice
Votes: 72
Views: 143
Avg Vote: 5.4167
up and down... on the upswing at least for now
Votes: 76
Views: 149
Avg Vote: 5.4474
Message edited by author 2010-05-06 19:56:04. |
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05/06/2010 11:25:00 PM · #161 |
Votes: 84
Views: 195
Avg Vote: 6.7262
And got a nice comment from Skip Himself as well as a few others. now if it will just continue the trend of going up.
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05/06/2010 11:29:56 PM · #162 |
If my score matched the comments, I would be scoring about an 8.0. But sadly it started in the basement and will never climb out far enough. Those first half a dozen 1's and 2's, kinda hurt....
Votes: 80
Views: 153
Avg Vote: 5.6625
Comments: 5
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 05/06/10 11:25 pm |
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05/07/2010 12:02:59 AM · #163 |
Originally posted by Skip:
you guys kill me. thanks for the shouts; i hope my comments were helpful and that i didn't p!ss off too many people...
there were some pretty amazing images in that challenge, as well as a number that, imho, d n m c. all the same, i commented on all of them. some people got better comments than others; if you feel yours was lacking, let me know. it won't affect the score.
as i shoot and edit for a living, i have a little different perspective on things. i've put together a semi summary of comments that might be useful for some, especially those shooting little league or youth sports.
fwiw, each time they have a sports challenge, the quality of images goes up. keep it up, and this will be one of the more competitive challenges the site runs! |
I disagreed with your comment (thanks for it all the same!) and was going to PM you after the voting was over, but I will take you up on it and PM you now! :D
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05/07/2010 12:40:26 AM · #164 |
REtracted comment!! I incorrectly remembered the story of his shot. My bad! Still don't agree with his comment.
Message edited by author 2010-05-07 00:56:39. |
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05/07/2010 12:57:09 AM · #165 |
eta: retracted due to retraction
Message edited by author 2010-05-07 07:50:28. |
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05/07/2010 06:32:59 AM · #166 |
I'm curious how much experience shooting a particular sport plays into the voting mix. I received an incredible comment from skip, and some other lovely comments, along with lots of low votes. I'm also curious as to people liking/disliking a sport, or just knowledge of a sport playing into the mix (not on purpose, but sneaking in anyway.) It seems like the voting is pretty low.
I remember voting and commenting on a cricket shot and making a suggestion. The photographer kindly wrote back and let me know that I wasn't understanding the purpose of the shot because I didn't understand the actual game. (I'm thinking it might have been a Lutchenko shot.
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05/07/2010 12:04:18 PM · #167 |
Votes: 100
Views: 196
Avg Vote: 6.9000
Comments: 8 |
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05/07/2010 12:52:18 PM · #168 |
Votes: 101
Views: 198
Avg Vote: 6.5743
Comments: 7
100ish time... |
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05/07/2010 01:01:15 PM · #169 |
Votes: 85
Views: 151
Avg Vote: 4.9176
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
:-/ |
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05/07/2010 07:04:06 PM · #170 |
Votes: 100
Views: 196
Avg Vote: 5.4500
Comments: 4
It is doing better than I thought it would
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05/07/2010 07:08:34 PM · #171 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I remember voting and commenting on a cricket shot and making a suggestion. The photographer kindly wrote back and let me know that I wasn't understanding the purpose of the shot because I didn't understand the actual game. |
Those "They just don't understand my art" comments always crack me up.
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05/07/2010 07:25:01 PM · #172 |
You have rated 167 of 170 images (98%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 60 images (35%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.7725.
The missing three were on my team. That was a pleasure to go through. Some really excellent stuff. Emotion, action, interesting perspectives. It had it all. Great challenge. Well done to all. |
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05/07/2010 07:43:58 PM · #173 |
Votes: 100
Views: 188
Avg Vote: 5.6100
Comments: 4
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 05/07/10 07:43 pm
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05/07/2010 09:52:15 PM · #174 |
Votes: 94
Views: 162
Avg Vote: 5.0000
Comments: 2
Oooh, look out ribbons, here I come! ;-) |
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05/07/2010 10:40:27 PM · #175 |
| FINALLY!!! A 1 and not a stinkin' word as to why. Impressive!!!! |
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