For us CREATURES, these SCORES are Hit or MYTH

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

07/21/2010 11:18:10 AM · #51

Originally posted by colorcarnival:

I know what you said on my photo but I do not know what you gave me. Based on your scoring average tho, the high scoring shots must have been offset by many low scoring shots and based on your comment, I'm guessing I don't fall in the high category lol. Anyway, my thinking was that if more people shared the same voting average as you, my score would not be where it is right now.

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by colorcarnival:
Fortunately, for me at least, your opinion falls within the minority viewpoint...

Votes: 59
Views: 163
Avg Vote: 5.9492
Comments: 1

Originally posted by klkitchens:
Eeep... Shocked how this one turned out... but that's the way they fell..

You have rated 83 of 85 images (98%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 11 images (13%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 3.6867.

How do you know what I gave you? There were some very high scoring shots...

Ah... didn't know my comments weren't anonymous :)

JaimeVinas

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

07/21/2010 11:28:07 AM · #52

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by colorcarnival:
I know what you said on my photo but I do not know what you gave me. Based on your scoring average tho, the high scoring shots must have been offset by many low scoring shots and based on your comment, I'm guessing I don't fall in the high category lol. Anyway, my thinking was that if more people shared the same voting average as you, my score would not be where it is right now.

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by colorcarnival:
Fortunately, for me at least, your opinion falls within the minority viewpoint...

Votes: 59
Views: 163
Avg Vote: 5.9492
Comments: 1

Originally posted by klkitchens:
Eeep... Shocked how this one turned out... but that's the way they fell..

You have rated 83 of 85 images (98%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 11 images (13%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 3.6867.

How do you know what I gave you? There were some very high scoring shots...

Ah... didn't know my comments weren't anonymous :)

There is a setting in your preferences that you can set that to be if you wish it to be. You didn't have to explain your voting structure to everyone. You're in your right to vote the way you feel. As much as we are in our right to disagree.

07/21/2010 11:31:00 AM · #53

Originally posted by JaimeVinas:

Yeah, I thought that option was set.

I simply shared the average and others asked questions. Not the norm to share such, but seems to be becoming so.

And yes, not everyone will vote correctly like me :) (A JOKE FOLKS)

Message edited by author 2010-07-21 11:34:32.

07/21/2010 11:34:40 AM · #54

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Yeah, I thought that option was set.

I simply shared the average and others asked questions. Not the norm to share such, but seems to be becoming so.

I'm not sure I understand why people vote in private. It all comes out eventually anyway.
I appreciate your sharing your trends. I find it interesting. I'll do the same when I've finished voting.

Message edited by author 2010-07-21 11:35:06.

bspurgeon

Fujifilm x100

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

07/21/2010 11:42:27 AM · #55

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Ah... didn't know my comments weren't anonymous :)

Nope, but still, thanks for the comment! Naturally you were wrong, but we all knew that anyway! ;)

bspurgeon

Fujifilm x100

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

07/21/2010 11:46:50 AM · #56

Like Kevin, I was expecting a bit more, or at least something different than the set as whole.

You have rated 84 of 85 images (99%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.5238.

07/21/2010 11:54:51 AM · #57

I said it before, but I think expert editing on potatoes and basic on myth would have been hilarious!

MinsoPhoto

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

07/21/2010 11:59:20 AM · #58

Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

I said it before, but I think expert editing on potatoes and basic on myth would have been hilarious!

Would of made things a bit more interesting perhaps. Seems like many of the entries only used advanced anyway.

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

07/21/2010 12:04:16 PM · #59

Originally posted by jminso:

Would of made things a bit more interesting perhaps. Seems like many of the entries only used advanced anyway.

Yeah. The editing rules, for the most part as we learnt, only open up more tools that can be used, but doesn't demand they be used.
Still, I was afraid to enter it, partially for a lack of imagination, and mostly for a lack of skill!

snaffles

Nikon D7100

07/21/2010 12:09:49 PM · #60

There were about 33 that were either DNMC or just photos of a statue or other artwork -- if they took the statue, toy, art, or whatever and made a scene from it, then that's too too cool and qualifies to me. If they just stood there, took a photo of someone else's work of art, then bzzt... scored low. [/quote]

What he said...have to agree fully, though I didn't give out anything under 5.

Message edited by author 2010-07-21 12:15:53.

J-Me

Sony DSLR-A200

Sony 75-300 mm f/4.5-5.6

07/21/2010 12:10:55 PM · #61

Originally posted by colorcarnival:

Fortunately, for me at least, your opinion falls within the minority viewpoint...

Votes: 59
Views: 163
Avg Vote: 5.9492
Comments: 1

Originally posted by klkitchens:
Eeep... Shocked how this one turned out... but that's the way they fell..

You have rated 83 of 85 images (98%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 11 images (13%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 3.6867.

I think it's fortunate for everyone who entered LOL.

J-Me

Sony DSLR-A200

Sony 75-300 mm f/4.5-5.6

07/21/2010 12:18:27 PM · #62

Darn! That is a GREAT photo! I stared at it last night in total awe! :) (Haven't voted yet)

Originally posted by GregoryB:

Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by GregoryB:
"Medusa"

Votes: 24
Views: 66
Avg Vote: 6.9583
Comments: 3

Hey guys - bad news - I have just done a self DQ on this image. I sent a request for validation on the image to the SC and only got a reply after rollover.
The spider web that I used in the background of this image I assumed could be classified as a texture and as such could be used even though it was taken out of the time frame....

"use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules"

however, this doesn't seem to be the case and I have been advised by Shannon scalvert that the spider web would not meet the challenge requirements.

I'd like to apologise to all those who have voted on this image and especially to franktheyank, the99 and LadyK who left 3 wonderful comments.

Good luck to all your entries - Greg

There is also this rule from the Expert Editing rules.

You may:

*
combine multiple photographs to produce your entry. All additional photographs must be taken by you after the challenge is announced with a digital camera that records EXIF data.

Yes I know that Judi, but Shannon scalvert said that the cracked mud on the face would be OK and that was taken out of the time limit also. There's no prob here - I'm just letting everyone know why the image will disappear from the challenge

07/21/2010 12:20:27 PM · #63

Originally posted by J-Me:

Darn! That is a GREAT photo! I stared at it last night in total awe! :) (Haven't voted yet)

Originally posted by GregoryB:

Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by GregoryB:
"Medusa"

Votes: 24
Views: 66
Avg Vote: 6.9583
Comments: 3

Hey guys - bad news - I have just done a self DQ on this image. I sent a request for validation on the image to the SC and only got a reply after rollover.
The spider web that I used in the background of this image I assumed could be classified as a texture and as such could be used even though it was taken out of the time frame....

"use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules"

however, this doesn't seem to be the case and I have been advised by Shannon scalvert that the spider web would not meet the challenge requirements.

I'd like to apologise to all those who have voted on this image and especially to franktheyank, the99 and LadyK who left 3 wonderful comments.

Good luck to all your entries - Greg

There is also this rule from the Expert Editing rules.

You may:

*
combine multiple photographs to produce your entry. All additional photographs must be taken by you after the challenge is announced with a digital camera that records EXIF data.

Yes I know that Judi, but Shannon scalvert said that the cracked mud on the face would be OK and that was taken out of the time limit also. There's no prob here - I'm just letting everyone know why the image will disappear from the challenge

Agree completely... And my voting average will go down after that DQ too :)

07/21/2010 12:21:51 PM · #64

Quite frankly I too was surprised by the entries. I think that it was a very difficult challenge and it was my first try at expert editing .. my score is below my average which is fine, I took this challenge as a way to learn.

But, the number of entries that didn't appear to have worked very hard to meet the challenge meant that my average scores given out are less than my usual .. not by much,

On my first go through I ended up with an average vote given 5.3 and change. I am a very lenient voter and am aware of people's equipment not being high end .. and lack of software and the children involved so I keep my votes decently high and reward what I think are the best with 8-9 & 10s. That's why I went by and adjusted up.

Here is what I voted .. I haven't made any comments yet but will;

You have rated 83 of 85 images (98%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.8795.

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

07/21/2010 12:23:48 PM · #65

Should the use of expert tools encourage a better score?

snaffles

Nikon D7100

07/21/2010 12:26:21 PM · #66

Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

Should the use of expert tools encourage a better score?

Up to you, the voter really. I did a very amateurish job on my entry, so used it more as an excuse to exercise and develop PS skills, which I don't really have. Happy with the result despite the trolls.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

07/21/2010 12:27:38 PM · #67

Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

Should the use of expert tools encourage a better score?

Nope. A great end result is a great end result.

CNovack

Canon EOS-600D/T3i Rebel

07/21/2010 12:28:08 PM · #68

Bleh, all that PP work to get slowly roasted with all the Slaughterhouse Five's aaaaannnnddd just got hit with a '4' (Oh really! *sarcastic tone*).

At about 30 sitting pretty at 6.2222 then old age starting creeping it that by 69 it is thus:

Views: 189
Avg Vote: 5.6522
Comments: 2

So with double digit hours spend I then fell in love with the work which is/can be said the 'kiss of death':-( Ah well, I got two great comments such that least two other thought it was great:-)

07/21/2010 12:28:25 PM · #69

Originally posted by snaffles:

I've learnt on my potato entry that getting a low score isn't bad at all. The bad votes that you might get in a good entry are your average votes in a bad entry. So you end up being far happier! :)

Message edited by author 2010-07-21 12:28:40.

07/21/2010 12:30:41 PM · #70

NiallOTuama posted: - Should the use of expert tools encourage a better score?

Not at all - that was neither the intent or the wording of my post.

In expert editing it stands to reason that people who are familiar with pro editing tools have a better chance at a higher score. I try to level the playing field by NOT penalizing people who don't.

I look at things like composition and effort. If someone doesn't have all the bells and whistles, these things will still shine through.

If they lack effort that too will shine through and I will give a 4 or a 5 vote - I think I have given out 3 or under maybe 10 times since 2006. (my membership date is incorrect).

edited to add - I have good tools but I don't know how to use them well and my score reflects that too.

But I had fun and learned a few things too.

Message edited by author 2010-07-21 12:33:22.

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

07/21/2010 12:36:12 PM · #71

Originally posted by Saker:

Cool. That makes sense.
But one might put forward the argument of why enter an expert editing competition without using expert tools.
An analogy might be why go to a multiplication exam and do the multiplication with successive addition. Though, with that analogy I suppose so long as you get the right answer it doesn't matter.
Right. I'll be doing what you say.

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

07/21/2010 12:44:50 PM · #72

Originally posted by Saker:

I have good tools and chose not to use them because I like my entry exactly the way it is (yes, my score shows it). If this had been basic editing maybe I'd be winning.... he he he.

07/21/2010 12:45:23 PM · #73

I think people should enter to learn - my son uses gimp .. it's free and quite remarkable what you can do with it .. he animates 2D things he makes and has taught himself a lot. Enough to get published in an online game.

I just like to learn and have fun - and vote in that spirit.

07/21/2010 12:47:35 PM · #74

Yeah Penny, I hear you .. I often do basic editing when it's advanced because I like the look of my entry .. I just thought I would stretch my wings on this one .. needless to say, they got clipped (grin)