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Alex_Petrini


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Challenge: Motion Panning IV (Advanced Editing VII)
Collection: Outdoor Portraits
Camera: Nikon D7000
Lens: Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM for Nikon
Location: Montesilvano (PE) - Italy
Date: Apr 22, 2012
Aperture: f/29
ISO: 100
Shutter: 1/13 sec.
Date Uploaded: Apr 22, 2012
[Apr. 27th, 2012 02:35:39 AM]

This is not panning?!?!??! C'mon guys - can you explain me what is it? Even if I get a 6+ score it will be a very disappointing moment for me here on DPC...

[Apr. 29th, 2012 05:14:51 PM]

The score is 7.16, constantly going down from the highest peak at 7.51

Hope I can get a ribbon with this one. To tell the truth is very strange how on this image everyone has a strange opinion above all because this is one of the less edited image I submitted ever.

[May. 3rd, 2012 06:04:35 AM]

Well, the score stil keeps above 7.20, so I can hope to get a ribbon with this one.

So many people have had doubts about it, but as you can see in the original this is very little edited:



How I got it: rather easy. I was quite sure that using a tripod I could "follow" the model getting a good panning. Even the first attempt was quite perfect, but the most difficult part was avoiding lens flare.

I couldn't get such a blur in Photoshop (well I could get it but breaking some rules). If you carefully take a look at the blurred area you can notice how it is not 'straight' due to change of perspective during rotation. Adding motion blur in Photoshop would result in straight lines.

The photo I chose had a very nice 'studio' lighting, that's why I picked it. I used my D7000, Sigma 10-20 and two external speedlights from the right and from the left. If you have a constant motion the hair doesn't move too much.

Here's an outtake:



This has been taken with Samyang 8mm.
I like it very much but the light is quite different.

Here you can see the set-up for this last shot. I secured the tripod (a few images before it was about to fall). In the image there's my friend and assistent, Edmondo. He likes the most dangerous tasks even if this time he has been pretty quite.

And here a funny video with subtitles :)

Video

Last but not least I wanna thank Grusha, my model, for being so patient. We were both quite sick after spinning for almost an hour! :)

[May. 3rd, 2012 06:05:49 AM]

Ooops, I forgot this one:



Wow, my second blue! Thank you guys! :)

Statistics
Place: 1 out of 56
Avg (all users): 7.2656
Avg (commenters): 8.3571
Avg (participants): 6.8438
Avg (non-participants): 7.4063
Views since voting: 5854
Views during voting: 391
Votes: 128
Comments: 75
Favorites: 8 (view)

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AuthorThread
 05/09/2012 09:17:51 PM
This is a fantastic shot.
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 05/09/2012 07:40:17 AM
Originally posted by wehrmacher:
I am curious about what caused the ghost on the right side of the photo. It looks like a tall person or tree or some photoshop artifact.


It was a tree :)
 05/09/2012 07:38:44 AM
Well, I'm not getting into the panning/not panning discussion. It's a great image, congrats on your ribbon.
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 05/07/2012 11:41:03 PM
Love the shot. The model is lovely and the color balance and saturation makes her look a bit like she steped out of pages of Alice in Wonderland or Pippi Long Stocking.

I saw the comment about the lack of hair motion that wind would have produced. However, with a 1/13 second exposure, she would not have had to be rotating very fast to get that amount of 'panning.' I am curious about what caused the ghost on the right side of the photo. It looks like a tall person or tree or some photoshop artifact.

For what it worth, I would suggest this is certainly panning using a fixture. Ain't fixtures wonderful. :-)

In any event, this certainly deserves it place.

Bill
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 05/07/2012 04:38:29 PM
Very nice, Alessandro!! Congratulations on a well deserved blue!!!
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 05/06/2012 05:05:33 PM
Fascinating..
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 05/06/2012 05:03:12 PM
Nice work, Alessandro, and congratulations on the blue!!
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 05/05/2012 02:02:49 PM
Panning is a photography technique that “freezes” a moving subject while adding motion blur to the background, or visa versa, giving the viewer a distinct sense of movement in the image and this superb shot achieves this beautifully.

just my thoughts :)
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 05/05/2012 06:14:10 AM
you deserved this ribbon ;]
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 05/05/2012 05:24:18 AM
Congrats on a wonderful effort and putting up with the negs, well and truly earned.
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 05/05/2012 04:23:08 AM
Thank you for all your comments guys! :)

Originally posted by Dennisheckman:
I just want to know if the coffee is Italian Roast? (-;


Dennis I didn't understand your question :)
 05/04/2012 05:58:59 PM
I just want to know if the coffee is Italian Roast? (-;
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 05/04/2012 05:54:14 PM
People can think what they want...but it's only the DPC judges opinions that matter...and it IS a fantastic shot. IMO it definitely deserved to win.
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 05/04/2012 05:34:09 PM
Congratulations Alessandro. I enjoyed looking at the outtakes and video, it looks like you had much fun here :-) And the result is beautiful.
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 05/04/2012 05:05:41 PM
Simply GREAT. Congratulations for the ribbon. Thank you so much for your explanation on how you did it
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 05/04/2012 04:52:29 PM
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Nice picture but I would call it background motion blur, not panning. :)


Can you explain me the difference?


Yes, the camera and the model have a static relationship with each other, the camera does not need to be moved to follow the subject. They are essentially in their own fixed world with the background moving around them. :)


Ok. Who decided that this is not panning while following a subject from a stationary position is panning? No one explained me that.


I'm just saying what I would call it, others will have different ideas. :)
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 05/04/2012 04:35:57 PM
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Nice picture but I would call it background motion blur, not panning. :)


Can you explain me the difference?


Yes, the camera and the model have a static relationship with each other, the camera does not need to be moved to follow the subject. They are essentially in their own fixed world with the background moving around them. :)


Ok. Who decided that this is not panning while following a subject from a stationary position is panning? No one explained me that.
 05/04/2012 04:31:03 PM
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Nice picture but I would call it background motion blur, not panning. :)


Can you explain me the difference?


Yes, the camera and the model have a static relationship with each other, the camera does not need to be moved to follow the subject. They are essentially in their own fixed world with the background moving around them. :)
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 05/04/2012 03:28:40 PM
Alex... You have my vote as meeting the challenge spot on...Congrats!! The blue tells the story better than what you could in your presentation...
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 05/04/2012 02:21:00 PM
Congrats on a awesome image & the Blue. I was leaning more towards motion blur vs panning blur. Yet if the camera is spinning the camera is panning, so It meets the challenge right on for me..... Great Job!!!
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 05/04/2012 01:33:20 PM
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Nice picture but I would call it background motion blur, not panning. :)


Can you explain me the difference?
 05/04/2012 01:23:21 PM
Congrats Alessandro! It is certainly a nice panning shot, which is correctly defined in the challenge description as a sharp subject against motion-blurred background. How it is achieved is up to the photographer :).
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 05/04/2012 01:02:49 PM
Congrats, Alessandro!!!
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 05/04/2012 12:08:35 PM
Nice picture but I would call it background motion blur, not panning. :)
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 05/04/2012 11:47:58 AM
Congrats Alessendro, you achieved some good discussion :) well done on the blue.
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 05/04/2012 11:16:26 AM
Congratulations,still love this shot.
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 05/04/2012 11:08:52 AM
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Originally posted by Tommy_Mac:
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Originally posted by RyanWareham:
Just wanna say that for all the people commenting that this isn't panning - i hope you're saying the same thing to all the entries from the group who went on the amusement park rides, or took pictures of a motorcycle/car from a vehicle matching their speed... there's no difference between them.

Great Shot Alessandro and congrats on the blue!!


If such were obvious, I'd say the same thing. In this case the railing gives the whole thing away.


The camera is still "panning" in one direction...and for those who say the subject isn't moving...go spin on a merry-go-round for an hour ;-)


Well, the one thing that's true about DPC : Appealing to the voters is far more important than meeting the terms of the challenge.


I definitely disagree with you there; a great photo that doesn't meet the challenge won't do all that well in votes...in this case we had both a great photo AND one that met the challenge..it was both creative and well executed... and the voters spoke with giving it a blue ribbon...can't ask for more than that.
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 05/04/2012 10:45:00 AM
Originally posted by Tommy_Mac:
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Originally posted by RyanWareham:
Just wanna say that for all the people commenting that this isn't panning - i hope you're saying the same thing to all the entries from the group who went on the amusement park rides, or took pictures of a motorcycle/car from a vehicle matching their speed... there's no difference between them.

Great Shot Alessandro and congrats on the blue!!


If such were obvious, I'd say the same thing. In this case the railing gives the whole thing away.


The camera is still "panning" in one direction...and for those who say the subject isn't moving...go spin on a merry-go-round for an hour ;-)


Well, the one thing that's true about DPC : Appealing to the voters is far more important than meeting the terms of the challenge.
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 05/04/2012 10:31:53 AM
Congrats on the Blue Alessandro!
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 05/04/2012 10:28:39 AM
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Originally posted by RyanWareham:
Just wanna say that for all the people commenting that this isn't panning - i hope you're saying the same thing to all the entries from the group who went on the amusement park rides, or took pictures of a motorcycle/car from a vehicle matching their speed... there's no difference between them.

Great Shot Alessandro and congrats on the blue!!


If such were obvious, I'd say the same thing. In this case the railing gives the whole thing away.


The camera is still "panning" in one direction...and for those who say the subject isn't moving...go spin on a merry-go-round for an hour ;-)

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 05/04/2012 10:02:16 AM
Originally posted by RyanWareham:
Just wanna say that for all the people commenting that this isn't panning - i hope you're saying the same thing to all the entries from the group who went on the amusement park rides, or took pictures of a motorcycle/car from a vehicle matching their speed... there's no difference between them.

Great Shot Alessandro and congrats on the blue!!


If such were obvious, I'd say the same thing. In this case the railing gives the whole thing away.
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 05/04/2012 09:50:12 AM
Congrats on the blue Alessandro, an image that certainly generated a lot of discussion.
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 05/04/2012 09:30:37 AM
Most folks notion of panning means the camera and subject move, but the background does not, resulting in a blurred background. Now, they also incorporate ideas about hand-holding the camera, and following a moving subject with the camera, which is fairly difficult to do well. Where folks have problems with this being panning is that neither the subject nor the camera are themselves moving, nor are they moving independently of each other, but are both in fixed positions on board a structure that is moving. Thus, the difficulty of this shot is more in line with taking a picture of a friend when you are both on a moving bus, with some scenery flowing by the window than it is following a heron in flight while standing firmly on the ground, matching the speed of the camera's movement with the speed of the heron's flight.
You can argue terms all you want.
None of that reflects negatively on the quality of the image. I love the concept of trying to sip tea in a moving carousel. Mixing the common domestic activity with an outdoors rapid movement activity is an interesting notion.
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 05/04/2012 08:53:23 AM
Just wanna say that for all the people commenting that this isn't panning - i hope you're saying the same thing to all the entries from the group who went on the amusement park rides, or took pictures of a motorcycle/car from a vehicle matching their speed... there's no difference between them.

Great Shot Alessandro and congrats on the blue!!
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 05/04/2012 08:36:15 AM
Originally posted by Tommy_Mac:
Firstly congrats Alessandro...a definitely deserved blue!!
In my book it's definitely motion panning...just because it's on a Tripod and on the merry-go-round doesn't mean it isn't. The camera is still following the subject. If the camera was connected to a vehicle and followed a runner...nobody would say anything...there is no difference. Well done Alessandro...great example!


That's what I tried to explain showing the examples before. It doesn't matter - everyone can have his own opinion.
 05/04/2012 08:11:14 AM
Firstly congrats Alessandro...a definitely deserved blue!!
In my book it's definitely motion panning...just because it's on a Tripod and on the merry-go-round doesn't mean it isn't. The camera is still following the subject. If the camera was connected to a vehicle and followed a runner...nobody would say anything...there is no difference. Well done Alessandro...great example!
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 05/04/2012 08:09:22 AM
Like I said during the challenge, I didn't think this was actually a panning shot and in fact it is not. Nice shot, but background blur does not mean "panning" sorry, but that's a fact.
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 05/04/2012 03:38:27 AM
Originally posted by alexlky:
Congrats, Alessandro!!! beautifully capture!! thanks so much for the sharing. This is similar to Rig Photography as seeing in many automobils panning advertising shots. Those bg are real motion panning blur (the purpose of panning for subject separation) and there's nothing to be disappointed about. Again, Congrats on the blue and well deserved!!!


Thank you Alex! Rig photography is definitely one kind of photography I would like to try. I have stabilazation systems for video, but I guess I should secure the camera with an external rig.
 05/04/2012 02:57:57 AM
Well done my favorite entry im so glad this won!!!!!!!!!!
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 05/04/2012 02:03:22 AM
Congrats, Alessandro!!! beautifully capture!! thanks so much for the sharing. This is similar to Rig Photography as seeing in many automobils panning advertising shots. Those bg are real motion panning blur (the purpose of panning for subject separation) and there's nothing to be disappointed about. Again, Congrats on the blue and well deserved!!!

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 05/04/2012 01:34:46 AM
Is this the shame shot paulbtw won a ribbon with in motion blur he clamped a camera to a kids rd about and did this shot... Nice image

I had similar idea to do the paul shot but to be fair it's not really panning as the camera is not following the subject, I did follow the subject and got hammered by the likes of Kevin and ray but it's funny how fickle the dpc voters are :)



its not motion panning though is it but a nice shot, i didnt vote in this challenge but i would have given it an 8

Message edited by author 2012-05-04 03:05:34.
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 05/04/2012 01:28:54 AM
Originally posted by klkitchens:
"This is not panning?!?!??! C'mon guys - can you explain me what is it? Even if I get a 6+ score it will be a very disappointing moment for me here on DPC..."

As I said in my original comment (in spite of giving you a 7), it is what I guessed it to be. You weren't motion panning (tracking a moving object with the camera from a fixed position). You were moving WITH the subject on the merry go round or whatever that is... so you were both "still" relative to each other.

So it's a GREAT image, but one that failed to implement the technique required. Oh well, congrats anyway on the ribbon.


Kevin I don't know why you are so sure that the camera can't move with the subject. The description of the challenge doesn't say that. Even if you search on wikipedia it says that the effects can be achieved using several techniques like dolly tracks (my main idea came from cinema that's what I do for a living). Take a look here, no one says that the camera/photographer must be stationary. In any case, thank you for giving me a 7. I received 6 votes under 4 - not a surprise considering that after 10 votes I was at 5 :)

Message edited by author 2012-05-04 01:36:17.
 05/04/2012 12:49:55 AM
congrats on the blue, Alessandro.
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 05/04/2012 12:17:28 AM
"This is not panning?!?!??! C'mon guys - can you explain me what is it? Even if I get a 6+ score it will be a very disappointing moment for me here on DPC..."

As I said in my original comment (in spite of giving you a 7), it is what I guessed it to be. You weren't motion panning (tracking a moving object with the camera from a fixed position). You were moving WITH the subject on the merry go round or whatever that is... so you were both "still" relative to each other.

So it's a GREAT image, but one that failed to implement the technique required. Oh well, congrats anyway on the ribbon.
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 05/04/2012 12:10:45 AM
Congrats on the Blue. It's a wonderful image and thanks for the details on how you achieved this.
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 05/04/2012 12:03:31 AM
Not a surprise, I bumped this in the last minutes, well done, and thanks for explaining.
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 Comments Made During the Challenge
05/03/2012 11:16:36 PM
Nice and quirky.
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 05/03/2012 09:52:14 PM
Ok well I'm guessing this shot will win, I don't know how you got her looking so comfortable, with a cup of tea, but I'm pretty sure there is nothing in there. But what bothers me is her hair is perfectly still, how can that be, when she is whizzing around!
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 05/03/2012 03:09:44 PM
Love this shot! Very creative and beautifully executed!
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 05/03/2012 01:48:59 AM
hope she didn't wear it :0 good concept
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 05/02/2012 05:09:24 PM
Oh I really like this; great set-up. (voted earlier and bumping up)
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 05/02/2012 08:04:14 AM
MY BEST ONE I HOPE RIBBON 10
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 05/01/2012 03:25:58 PM
This image has so much potential, but I think you didn't go all the way with it. For example, you could of gone with an Alice in Wonderland theme and dressed her in some sort of fantasy clothes. I do appreciate the overall quality of the image (e.g. sharpness).
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 05/01/2012 03:18:11 PM
Fantastic pan/blur while keeping a clean subject. I'm giving this a 10 as it's the perfect fit with the challenge and a good shot. I feel the motion in this - it's making me dizzy even keeping it on screen long enough to make sure i don't see any 'photoshop lines' and type this up.
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 05/01/2012 12:05:58 PM
Alice in Wonderland.
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 04/30/2012 06:43:25 PM
Nice idea, the subject is stationary relative to the camera with the 'world' moving in circles.
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 04/30/2012 11:40:10 AM
Not sure this is really motion panning but hell I love the image.
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 04/30/2012 08:49:17 AM
Easily the best of the bunch. Very nice composition. Would've liked a little more pop in the processing though..especially that beautiful hair! Great pic, nonetheless!
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 04/30/2012 12:53:39 AM
ooOOooOoOO
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 04/29/2012 08:56:15 PM
Liking this. I almost did something similar, but didn't have as good of a willing participant as you.
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 04/28/2012 11:43:44 AM
Top 3
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 04/28/2012 01:37:10 AM
You crushed this challenge. I'll be shocked if this doesn't ribbon.
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 04/27/2012 08:48:06 PM
Beautiful shot. I like the contrast of the background in motion and the stillness of her posture and demeanor.
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 04/27/2012 11:43:44 AM
Another title "5 p.m. - Ribbon time!"
Wonderful photo. The colors are great and the model is very beautiful!
10 from me.
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 04/27/2012 09:47:27 AM
Great composition, perfect shot...Nine
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 04/27/2012 08:41:03 AM
Looks like the photographer was panning too. Nice shot!
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 04/27/2012 07:27:43 AM
Clever, really neat shot, I must give you credit. Very creative. However, I'm not really sure she is moving at all. Initially I thought she was spinning and you were in the center, but the extra fill light with the harsh shadow on her chest suggests artificial lighting. Which makes me think maybe the blur was post. Anyway, I still like it. 8.
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 04/27/2012 07:10:58 AM
the clear winner, well done 10
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 04/27/2012 06:28:01 AM
Wow--that is awesome! Great take on the challenge. 9
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 04/27/2012 06:15:12 AM
At least you understood what Motion panning is all about, the majority of photos in this challenge are not true motion panning shots. Great photo and my top voted image in the challenge. I hope to see this on the front page. Best of luck.
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 04/27/2012 02:26:19 AM
I don't think this is panning but its nice..
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 04/27/2012 02:20:40 AM
Great idea and lovely lighting. There's a great feeling of motion and yet her hair isn't moving. I hope you explain how you achieved this as it' wonderful.
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 04/27/2012 01:51:17 AM
this is fantastic !!!! 10... by the way ,you win ..LOL
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 04/27/2012 01:10:49 AM
Awesome image, but does not appear to be a correct use of the technique... as it appears to be a ride or moving object that is moving the camera and photographer and subject against the background -- vs. a stationary photographer panning to track a moving subject...
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 04/27/2012 12:07:46 AM
Cool!


(commenting only)
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