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Colour Inside the Lines
Colour Inside the Lines
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Photograph Information Photographer's Comments
Challenge: Chalk (Advanced Editing VII)
Camera: Nikon D300s
Lens: Nikon MF Nikkor 50mm f/1.2
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Date: Oct 18, 2010
Galleries: Still Life, Floral
Date Uploaded: Oct 17, 2010

The Image: I know this kind of thing has been done before, but I thought I would do my take on this. The fact is that that the local shop had no chalk left, can you beloieve it? So, I had to be inventive and bought some modeling clay which looks like chalk. I also have some pastels there in the shot as well.

Used my well worn black board and natural light from the windows, set the self timer and did about a dozen shots till I was happy with this one.

The Edit: duplicate layer, multiply, lower opacity, mask layer to make a darker vignette. A HDR adjustment layer/mask. Converted a layer to B and W, maksed and carefully painted away. Some level, contrast, vibrance adjustments. A few other little tweaks and that's it. Took about 30 minutes to edit, 20 to shoot.

Prediction: I am going to have high hopes for this...high 6's

POST: Woo Hoo... a new picture on my profile page! Thank you everyone!!!!!

AFTER DQ: The breaking of the rules was based on the fact that I partially coloured in a petal and not all of it, which apparently means I created a new area. Extremely disappointed.
Disqualification Details
You may not use ANY editing tool to create new image area, objects or features (such as lens flare or motion) that didn't already exist in your original capture.

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11/09/2010 12:17:18 AM
More and more rules and limits will just discourage creativity and limit inspiration. The consequence is the overall number of visitors to dpc will be decreased, because the creative and interesting photos like this will be submitted to other community sites but dpc. Is that a good thing for dpc? 1X.com is selling prints and maybe, in the near future, betterphoto.com. How can dpcprints keep running?
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11/05/2010 04:36:51 PM
Great photo,sorry about the dq.......
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10/27/2010 04:50:00 PM
This is a bogus dq. I have seen rules stretched by others that far outweigh this!
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10/27/2010 11:02:44 AM
Too bad, I really like this one. It's still a really cool photo.
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10/27/2010 08:28:50 AM
Great shame after all your hard work. I really like it anyway!
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10/27/2010 03:30:35 AM
Unfair...That was an awesome picture. Sorry you experienced that. I don't understand either...
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10/27/2010 02:52:14 AM
so sorry enzo .. it can be difficult understanding the rules sometimes .. and then i imagine you get caught up processing and an action like all the rest is the one that gets you the dq .. colouring the petals but not the entire one .. i can understand the logic but what about when the colour changes gradually, like in the sky for instance .. ppl do it all the time ... a definite line or a gradual change .. both create something new ..
anyway its an awesome image dq or not .. and thankyou for the lesson in dq'able offenses .. :)
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10/27/2010 02:29:39 AM
Originally posted by blad:

some of us need to be a scientist to figue these rules. i still don't know what you did to warrant a DQ.
outstanding image!


I am not sure either to tell you the truth...If I did not paint a little tip of a petal, apparently it would be all sweet
10/26/2010 06:19:19 PM
some of us need to be a scientist to figue these rules. i still don't know what you did to warrant a DQ.
outstanding image!
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10/26/2010 01:57:34 PM
Very nice image, I think the desat was a perfect choice and very well done. As for the DQ, not as big fan of the rule or how it has been applied past or present. Congrats on a top image!
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10/26/2010 01:22:25 PM
Auuugh! Enzo! I feel your pain. What a tough one! And the rules about what is okay and not are so unclear! I'm so sorry!!
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10/26/2010 08:12:38 AM
Regardless of the DQ, 44 8's, 28 7's, 9's, and 10's from dpc'ers says all that needs to be said about your image. Beautiful, creative, enjoyable, and I would even say, true art.
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10/26/2010 05:46:04 AM
Originally posted by DCNUTTER:

Well, it's one rule that I think is a bit over the top and should be addressed. I may be wrong, but I feel it was probably DQ'd because of the black border you added which is for the most part distinguishable around the actual image, but on the edge where your hand is and the border meets your black board it no longer looks like a border. At least it doesn't on my calibrated monitors. It has to clearly be defined as a border. If I add a border to my photos it's always a small black border, but I won't add it if there is a lot of black on any of the edges where it gets lost as it does here.

It's a pretty silly rule, and I agree with most if not all the rest, but to ME...if you can clearly see a black border (or sometimes white depending on the photo) on 3 of the edges it's pretty darn safe to assume that there is a border on the fourth side of the photo even if it blends in with the background. How many people add a border to only three sides of a photo. Answer...none. People either border two sides or the whole image.

I've seen it time and time again on here where a black border added to a black background gets a DQ. If you had added a white border for instance the photo would still have a blue ribbon next to it. Again, maybe there is some other reason that it was DQ'ed that I'm not seeing, but that's my take.

Great photo BTW...

Dave


It's not the black border Dave, it's that I partially coloured a petal in and not the whole petal...yes, you read that right

Message edited by author 2010-10-26 05:52:20.
10/26/2010 04:35:31 AM
yeah this is like the image i remember with someone painting the sky, i am not so sure i agree in either case but thems the breaks i guess
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10/26/2010 04:27:36 AM
This is not very nice and I had no trouble with the image, and all looked ok. changing color to part or all of your image all looks legal.
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10/26/2010 02:48:03 AM
This is really sad, Enzo. I'm afraid, though, ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' paulbtlw is right, it's the partially red petal where you created "a new image area". Absolutely minor in my eyes, doesn't add anything to the image - but rules are rules :(
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10/26/2010 02:34:40 AM
This DQ is one that I've been caught out with before too. Once you get your head round it, it is perfectly fair. The new image area has been created between the selectively coloured areas in the area around the chalk. There is no 'natural' boundary to the area of coloration. If you had not strayed onto the petal nearest the chalk and had adjacent petals coloured differently rather than two colours on a single petal then this would have been OK because your differential coloration would have respected natural boundaries but because you created a new and arbitrary interface between the red and the white you have created a new image area.

(Ahh... Just spotted the whole thread on this, all been said already)

Message edited by author 2010-10-26 04:09:17.
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10/26/2010 02:17:28 AM
Originally posted by DCNUTTER:

Well, it's one rule that I think is a bit over the top and should be addressed. I may be wrong, but I feel it was probably DQ'd because of the black border you added which is for the most part distinguishable around the actual image, but on the edge where your hand is and the border meets your black board it no longer looks like a border. At least it doesn't on my calibrated monitors. It has to clearly be defined as a border. If I add a border to my photos it's always a small black border, but I won't add it if there is a lot of black on any of the edges where it gets lost as it does here.

It's a pretty silly rule, and I agree with most if not all the rest, but to ME...if you can clearly see a black border (or sometimes white depending on the photo) on 3 of the edges it's pretty darn safe to assume that there is a border on the fourth side of the photo even if it blends in with the background. How many people add a border to only three sides of a photo. Answer...none. People either border two sides or the whole image.

I've seen it time and time again on here where a black border added to a black background gets a DQ. If you had added a white border for instance the photo would still have a blue ribbon next to it. Again, maybe there is some other reason that it was DQ'ed that I'm not seeing, but that's my take.

Great photo BTW...

Dave


That's kinda ridiculous, if that's true he basically got DQ'ed over 1/3 of 1 side of the frame, not even one whole side. There's clearly a border on the right side of the image, it just blends in a bit in the middle. You should contest if that's the reason.
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10/26/2010 12:54:24 AM
Well, it's one rule that I think is a bit over the top and should be addressed. I may be wrong, but I feel it was probably DQ'd because of the black border you added which is for the most part distinguishable around the actual image, but on the edge where your hand is and the border meets your black board it no longer looks like a border. At least it doesn't on my calibrated monitors. It has to clearly be defined as a border. If I add a border to my photos it's always a small black border, but I won't add it if there is a lot of black on any of the edges where it gets lost as it does here.

It's a pretty silly rule, and I agree with most if not all the rest, but to ME...if you can clearly see a black border (or sometimes white depending on the photo) on 3 of the edges it's pretty darn safe to assume that there is a border on the fourth side of the photo even if it blends in with the background. How many people add a border to only three sides of a photo. Answer...none. People either border two sides or the whole image.

I've seen it time and time again on here where a black border added to a black background gets a DQ. If you had added a white border for instance the photo would still have a blue ribbon next to it. Again, maybe there is some other reason that it was DQ'ed that I'm not seeing, but that's my take.

Great photo BTW...

Dave
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10/26/2010 12:08:41 AM
What?....i am so sorry about the DQ.....wonderful image....I also don't quite understand the dq?
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10/26/2010 12:01:23 AM
Oh no!What a shame to see this brilliant image get a DQ. Good luck with your appeal, Enzo.
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10/25/2010 10:35:27 PM
I am absolutely dumbfounded over this. I have been on this site for 4 years and this makes no sense to me at all. I am going to appeal this. I have not added anything or cloned anything or added any motion blur. All my adjustments were made legally. if I have missed a step, I need better explanations.
10/25/2010 09:35:30 PM
awwww... I'm so sorry! What a shame! Doesn't take away from the fact that it's absolutely beautiful, however!
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10/25/2010 09:09:34 PM
While this pushed me up and into my 1st ribbon, not exactly the way that I wanted it. Sorry about the DQ. Either way, this is a fantastic shot to add to a great portfolio.
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10/25/2010 08:34:29 PM
I was afraid this might get a DQ. Still a great shot though.
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10/25/2010 08:25:51 PM
:(
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10/25/2010 08:10:18 PM
Oh... noooooo....

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10/25/2010 07:34:13 PM
Lovely work Enzo! Huge congrats on a well-deserved blue :-)
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10/25/2010 01:40:46 PM
Enzo, this is so creative, beautiful and well done. SO pleased for you that it won. Many, many congrats on the blue and your new profile page pic. ((Hugs)).
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10/25/2010 01:17:44 PM
congrats on the well deserved ribbon...i was anxiously waiting to see how this was done...awesome!!
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10/25/2010 11:43:56 AM
AWESOME !!!! Congrats Enzo
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10/25/2010 11:22:13 AM
This is awesome, well done :)
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10/25/2010 11:16:17 AM
Congrats. I thought this would win. Who would give a 2 or 3 or 4 to this image????
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10/25/2010 10:59:52 AM
Whoa! 7.7654! What an amazing score for an amazing photo, Enzo! Congratulations!
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10/25/2010 09:51:45 AM
Congratulations on the Blue! Technically and asthetically this is wonderful!
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10/25/2010 09:21:14 AM
Congrats on your ribbon great idea, processing and image.
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10/25/2010 09:11:37 AM
Terrific, Enzo! Nice to see you in the winner's spot again! Congratulations.
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10/25/2010 07:17:01 AM
Fantastic shot, and score. Congrats Enzo!
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10/25/2010 06:55:09 AM
Congrats on the blue!, This was my favorite :)
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10/25/2010 04:16:00 AM
Very well done again, Enzo, congrats on a deserved blue and a fabulous score!
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10/25/2010 03:45:12 AM
Great idea and beautiful colours, congratulations, amazing shot!
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10/25/2010 03:33:58 AM
DNMC! ;-) Awesome work! Congrats on the Blue!
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10/25/2010 03:28:54 AM
Nice one hot pasta you CHALKED up another blue ..congrats ..pardon the pund..lol
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10/25/2010 03:18:52 AM
Loved this as soon as I opened the image - it's absolutely brilliant....a well deserved winner!
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10/25/2010 03:03:54 AM
WOW look at that score .. its the best image and what a wonderful way of satisfying the challenge ..
many congrats enzo on such a fantastic piece of art, the blue and third place on your profile page .. :)
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10/25/2010 02:26:18 AM
Brilliant work and amazing look, congratulations on the BLUE.
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10/25/2010 01:27:29 AM
Congratulations on the fantastic score and blue! It's a beautiful image, looks very artistic overall. My favorite of the challenge, quite happy it won :-)
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10/25/2010 12:50:51 AM
Congrats on the awesome score and blue! Very well deserved. Great idea and flawless execution!
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10/25/2010 12:35:27 AM
Beautifully done! Congrats on the blue!
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10/25/2010 12:18:52 AM
Love it...congrats sweet.
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10/25/2010 12:18:04 AM
Congrats on the blue! I was one of your 10s :-)
This was perfectly executed!
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10/25/2010 12:11:52 AM
Congrats on the blue. This was well executed!
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10/25/2010 12:07:41 AM
Nice score! You don't see them that high very often...
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10/25/2010 12:05:49 AM
Oh... I'm so glad this is yours! IT's BRILLIANT! ! Congrats!
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10/25/2010 12:04:14 AM
Congratulations ! A well deserved image !
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10/25/2010 12:01:36 AM
I knew this had to be the winner. 9 from me. Great job, Enzo!

Message edited by author 2010-10-25 22:57:15.
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10/25/2010 12:01:20 AM
Congrats on the blue, a very nice image!
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 Comments Made During the Challenge
10/24/2010 09:31:58 AM
really good idea...IMO if you had made this look a little more like a painting or chalk drawing (Artistic Brushes???) it would have fit together better...In other words...to me the clarity of the picture fits better with brush painting vs a chalk smudge feel...hope that makes sense...hmmm And mind you I didn't give you a bad score at all...
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10/23/2010 09:40:15 PM
Beautiful image. My only 10.
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10/23/2010 09:32:41 PM
This is just fabulous very cleverly done and I hope this wins 10 from me
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10/23/2010 03:37:29 PM
Well thought out and nice effect
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10/21/2010 02:04:36 PM
Great idea, brilliantly exceuted. Ribbon contender.
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10/21/2010 09:06:58 AM
I see this finishing near the top - good idea and nice to see someone being creative when using selective desat! Technically good too! Good luck
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10/21/2010 02:42:09 AM
Brilliant, bright, radiant. 10
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10/20/2010 04:03:49 PM
really creative - 9 but might bump it up later
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10/20/2010 06:31:15 AM
This is a great photo and wonderful concept!! Love it
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10/19/2010 10:43:31 PM
Beautifully done, of course!
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10/19/2010 01:41:45 AM
Wonderful still life
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10/18/2010 09:40:42 PM
Cool shot and the processing works good on this.
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10/18/2010 08:34:24 PM
One of two 10's i gave out. Beautiful image.
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10/18/2010 07:08:52 PM
wow.
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10/18/2010 10:09:11 AM
Stunning work here. So far to me one of the ribbons.
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10/18/2010 01:11:26 AM
stunning. 10
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10/18/2010 12:48:26 AM
Great idea. Nicely done. In my top 3.
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