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07/07/2011 10:40:45 PM · #226 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by Sirashley:
I'm going to try to get out on Sunday afternoon to get some shots. The weather here has been nothing short of terrible for the past few weeks, so I've been kinda quiet on this thread. |
Bad weather in South Florida?? :) |
Yeap we have a tropical wave blowing over now... and it seems like every day I have off (which isn't many) its pouring outside... So I'm hoping Sunday to pass the baby off on my wife and get out and shoot... Wish me luck :) |
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07/08/2011 04:08:45 PM · #227 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
I entered this (without the border, 950 wide):
Waiting for the usual rejection. |
Another fast reject without comments. Rather frustrating. |
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07/08/2011 04:53:57 PM · #228 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Another fast reject without comments. Rather frustrating. |
Yes, but I registered knowing full well that my best stuff would receive quick rejection. At least on DPC the rejection builds up slowly over the course of a week.
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07/08/2011 05:22:52 PM · #229 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Another fast reject without comments. Rather frustrating. |
Yes, but I registered knowing full well that my best stuff would receive quick rejection. At least on DPC the rejection builds up slowly over the course of a week. |
Yes, I'm addicted to week after week of Chinese Water Torture...;-P
Message edited by author 2011-07-08 17:45:02. |
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07/08/2011 05:39:36 PM · #230 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Another fast reject without comments. Rather frustrating. |
Yes, but I registered knowing full well that my best stuff would receive quick rejection. At least on DPC the rejection builds up slowly over the course of a week. |
This one wasn't rejected at DPC so the speed it was rejected at 1x was disenchanting. |
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07/08/2011 11:42:35 PM · #231 |
I have just posted my FS entry for critique at 1x (it was rejected very fast yesterday):
I have improved (I hope!) it slightly by using Topaz Denoise to remove the noise. I am very interested in what people on 1x have to say. I have taken a lot of images that morning and I was hoping that at least one of them will be published on 1x. I think they are worth the effort as the conditions were unique. |
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07/09/2011 03:49:28 PM · #232 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
I have just posted my FS entry for critique at 1x (it was rejected very fast yesterday):
I have improved (I hope!) it slightly by using Topaz Denoise to remove the noise. I am very interested in what people on 1x have to say. I have taken a lot of images that morning and I was hoping that at least one of them will be published on 1x. I think they are worth the effort as the conditions were unique. |
I got lots of comments at 1x, some very useful. Apart from PP - still not good!! :( , the biggest is one is that Yarra Glen is not interesting. Unfortunately there is not much I can do about that one! |
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07/09/2011 04:20:07 PM · #233 |
I should be able to submit again sometime this weekend. Taking a different approach to rejection this time. I'm going to submit a personal favorite, one that has lots of potential flaws to pick on, but I still love it because it is like a portrait of the home's owner without having him in the frame.
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07/09/2011 04:23:59 PM · #234 |
Might recent FS entry did OK here but it did very well at 1x - making it into the most popular for the day. I've never had that before.
Holly |
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07/09/2011 04:24:21 PM · #235 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I should be able to submit again sometime this weekend. Taking a different approach to rejection this time. I'm going to submit a personal favorite, one that has lots of potential flaws to pick on, but I still love it because it is like a portrait of the home's owner without having him in the frame.
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I always did like that shot. |
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07/09/2011 08:22:26 PM · #236 |
Steve, that dog is just priceless...LOL!!!
Margaret,
I really enjoyed reading the feedback you got on your photo.
Critique of Emerging from the Fog |
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07/09/2011 09:34:03 PM · #237 |
Originally posted by paulbtlw:
Might recent FS entry did OK here but it did very well at 1x - making it into the most popular for the day. I've never had that before.
Holly |
That's great, Paul! You are one of the best DPCers on 1x. |
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07/09/2011 09:51:01 PM · #238 |
Probably shouldn't even try with this one, but I kinda like it. It feels balanced and peaceful to me. I took it over 4th of july weekend at Blue Mesa Reservoir in Colorado right at sunrise.
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07/10/2011 08:15:00 AM · #239 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
I have just posted my FS entry for critique at 1x (it was rejected very fast yesterday):
I have improved (I hope!) it slightly by using Topaz Denoise to remove the noise. I am very interested in what people on 1x have to say. I have taken a lot of images that morning and I was hoping that at least one of them will be published on 1x. I think they are worth the effort as the conditions were unique. |
I got lots of comments at 1x, some very useful. Apart from PP - still not good!! :( , the biggest is one is that Yarra Glen is not interesting. Unfortunately there is not much I can do about that one! |
1x critique looked useful at first. I am not so sure any more. Steve and Ursula keep on enforcing their vision. I'd better create my own and forget 1x. |
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07/10/2011 08:27:29 AM · #240 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
..... the biggest is one is that Yarra Glen is not interesting. Unfortunately there is not much I can do about that one! |
Sometimes though Margaret, I think this is one of the main reasons very good images do not get published on 1x. I think it's a lovely image, and would be happy to have it in my portfolio, but I think on 1x they are always looking for something a bit unique. It's a tough audience over there. I enjoy looking at the images, but have realised that I'm not a 1x photographer and I'm OK with that! |
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07/10/2011 08:47:23 AM · #241 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
..... the biggest is one is that Yarra Glen is not interesting. Unfortunately there is not much I can do about that one! |
Sometimes though Margaret, I think this is one of the main reasons very good images do not get published on 1x. I think it's a lovely image, and would be happy to have it in my portfolio, but I think on 1x they are always looking for something a bit unique. It's a tough audience over there. I enjoy looking at the images, but have realised that I'm not a 1x photographer and I'm OK with that! |
Thanks, Sarah. I will be OK with that too :)
What else do you do with your photos apart from DPC? I'd like to find an alternative to 1x. |
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07/10/2011 09:02:22 AM · #242 |
Just recently I've been hanging out on 500px.com. It's got a nice feel to it, but to get any exposure you really have to spend time on the site looking at other peoples images, commenting and "liking" them, so I'm not 100% sure it's that effective if you don't have hours to spend digging around. There are quite a few 1x folk on there, but also some other really excellent photographers. Take a look at it, it's nice.
I also did hang out on Fotoblur for a while, but I lost interest with that site as it became a bit too much of a popularity contest and less about rewarding the best pictures. What is nice there is they do have a magazine that is published on a quarterly basis and you can submit images to that. Then they get voted on and you may, or may not, get published. But other than those two I don't really bother with anywhere other than DPC. I like the community atmosphere here, after 5 years it feels like home :)
ETA. The 500px I only found because someone posted a link in a forum post here on DPC.
Message edited by author 2011-07-10 09:03:24. |
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07/10/2011 09:07:56 AM · #243 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
Just recently I've been hanging out on 500px.com. It's got a nice feel to it, but to get any exposure you really have to spend time on the site looking at other peoples images, commenting and "liking" them, so I'm not 100% sure it's that effective if you don't have hours to spend digging around. There are quite a few 1x folk on there, but also some other really excellent photographers. Take a look at it, it's nice.
I also did hang out on Fotoblur for a while, but I lost interest with that site as it became a bit too much of a popularity contest and less about rewarding the best pictures. What is nice there is they do have a magazine that is published on a quarterly basis and you can submit images to that. Then they get voted on and you may, or may not, get published. But other than those two I don't really bother with anywhere other than DPC. I like the community atmosphere here, after 5 years it feels like home :)
ETA. The 500px I only found because someone posted a link in a forum post here on DPC. |
If you want a critique on 1x you have to provide 3 critiques yourself. The voting system forces you to vote on all categories and there are some photos I really dislike even to look at. So pretty time consuming and cumbersome. I will try 500px. Thanks! :) |
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07/10/2011 10:22:59 AM · #244 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Steve and Ursula keep on enforcing their vision. I'd better create my own and forget 1x. |
I just read the critiques you have had on 1x. Wow, you have received some excellent feedback. Steve and Ursula are bang on the money I think, really excellent advice, not just for you, but for all of us. |
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07/10/2011 11:48:21 AM · #245 |
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
I was going to put my National Geographic entry in but the more I look at it the more I don't think it's that special. From a 6 it has gone down to 5.1 lol! Give me another day and I'll be looking at a 4.5 shot. |
 Still hesitant about using up my slot for this one (only 10 slots are offered, right?) Perhaps I should put it up in the critique forum when I get home.
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07/10/2011 12:42:42 PM · #246 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Steve and Ursula keep on enforcing their vision. I'd better create my own and forget 1x. |
I just read the critiques you have had on 1x. Wow, you have received some excellent feedback. Steve and Ursula are bang on the money I think, really excellent advice, not just for you, but for all of us. |
I echo this post...;-) Expanding and growing my own perspective means that sometimes I have to internalize what other people say...otherwise, my cave of inner peace would be a pretty isolating place. Personally, I wish that I had something to offer that would generate thoughts from people I respect. But then again, if even one person gets what I'm trying to do, then I'm happy...;-)
Message edited by author 2011-07-10 12:50:32. |
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07/10/2011 05:50:51 PM · #247 |
P.S. I'd like to add that posting in the critique forums means you've given a greenlight and invitation for new ideas and perspectives. Regardless of whether you agree or not, people have taken valuable time out of their own lives to leave feedback they believe will be of genuine help not just to you but to everyone who reads the pubic thread.
A gracious acknowledgement of people's time should at the very least include a "thank you" regardless of whether or not you agree with the content.
Margaret, if you don't agree with the excellent feedback that you got then that's a shame but more of a reflection of how you received it than what was actually said.
My two cents... |
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07/10/2011 06:13:55 PM · #248 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
I have just posted my FS entry for critique at 1x (it was rejected very fast yesterday):
I have improved (I hope!) it slightly by using Topaz Denoise to remove the noise. I am very interested in what people on 1x have to say. I have taken a lot of images that morning and I was hoping that at least one of them will be published on 1x. I think they are worth the effort as the conditions were unique. |
I got lots of comments at 1x, some very useful. Apart from PP - still not good!! :( , the biggest is one is that Yarra Glen is not interesting. Unfortunately there is not much I can do about that one! |
I didn't comment in the critique over at 1x, but I will say here, I like the DPC entry much better than the 1x entry. If this one was rejected as it looks here I don't think it was for the processing. The one in the critique section at 1x has too much noise reduction IMO.
On the comments issue, if the suggestions don't help you realize YOUR vision for the image, then simply ignore them. They're just trying to help but don't have near as much information about the scene, the conditions, the light, etc. as you do. They are only going on the image you uploaded.
You can drive yourself nuts trying to figure out the formula for getting published at 1x. I've had images rejected that are some of my best work. I've been surprised at some that have been published as well. Enter your best work, take all the advice at face value, and be true to yourself and your vision of your artwork.
One thing I learned here a long time ago, if you have to ask or be told you took a good photograph before you accept that it's indeed good, you will never be able to express a unique vision. If you know an image is exactly how you want it, then it won't matter if it's published at 1x or wins a ribbon.
just one guy's thoughts. |
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07/10/2011 07:30:55 PM · #249 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
I have just posted my FS entry for critique at 1x (it was rejected very fast yesterday):
I have improved (I hope!) it slightly by using Topaz Denoise to remove the noise. I am very interested in what people on 1x have to say. I have taken a lot of images that morning and I was hoping that at least one of them will be published on 1x. I think they are worth the effort as the conditions were unique. |
I got lots of comments at 1x, some very useful. Apart from PP - still not good!! :( , the biggest is one is that Yarra Glen is not interesting. Unfortunately there is not much I can do about that one! |
I didn't comment in the critique over at 1x, but I will say here, I like the DPC entry much better than the 1x entry. If this one was rejected as it looks here I don't think it was for the processing. The one in the critique section at 1x has too much noise reduction IMO.
On the comments issue, if the suggestions don't help you realize YOUR vision for the image, then simply ignore them. They're just trying to help but don't have near as much information about the scene, the conditions, the light, etc. as you do. They are only going on the image you uploaded.
You can drive yourself nuts trying to figure out the formula for getting published at 1x. I've had images rejected that are some of my best work. I've been surprised at some that have been published as well. Enter your best work, take all the advice at face value, and be true to yourself and your vision of your artwork.
One thing I learned here a long time ago, if you have to ask or be told you took a good photograph before you accept that it's indeed good, you will never be able to express a unique vision. If you know an image is exactly how you want it, then it won't matter if it's published at 1x or wins a ribbon.
just one guy's thoughts. |
Thanks, David. After sleeping on it (it is morning here) I had no problem with the critique of the image at 1x. The suggestions on toning down the tree, better PP and finding a better angle were great and I was very pleased the quality of advice. Especially from Steve (although his examples were mostly better than the published image I was referring to). What did upset me though was the assumption that I don't know entirely what I am doing. I have learned enormous amount in the past 2 years, and possibly doubly so in my past 7 months at DPC - thanks to many nice DPCers!
After returning to landscape from my photo impressionism side trip 2 months ago I have worked very hard on improving my photography. For example, for the Fences challenge I did a 300 miles return trip (!) for just one shot! Crazy you could say. I bought heaps of equipment, software and books in the past 6 months and I do not have any money left for expensive travel on top of what I have already planned!!
With Yarra Valley it is only 30 miles return trip from where I live so I have made already countless trips looking for the greatest places and times to photograph. I discovered this amazing fog by chance when rushing to capture some morning frost down in the Valley. I was stunned with the incredible beauty of it. I had the wrong lens with me so I could only get far away shots. Then I waited for weeks for another chance. Finally the forecast was right, I knew when sunrise was, the direction, what equipment to take, what time to leave etc. To my disappointment the fog did not lift till the afternoon and dissipated in a totally uninteresting manner! The sun never came out. The only bonus on that day was that I went scouting to the Sugarloaf Reserve on the way back and by chance took my best DPC shot to date for the High Key Challenge (Tree Tops - rejected almost immediately at 1x, I did not pursue this any further, as we know meeting the challenge well adds extra points). It was a totally unplanned chance photo - what is wrong with getting lucky occasionally??
The next day the fog was forecast again, and again I rushed in the dark to be there at dawn. The spectacle lasted about 2 hours and I took about 600 photos. The intention being to learn the impact of the changing light so the next time I will know the exact location and timing for the best shots. It worked well. I know now when I should not bother and when I have to be ready to shoot. All in the learning I guess.
I decided to give up as a participant at 1x and not to renew my membership. I will browse occasionally through Landscape category in awe, there are some such great shots there. I have opened an account at 500px and I will see if I find it useful. So far DPC is still the best even if I wish a more rigorous approach to critique was available. And more and better commenting. I don't know what happened to mentoring scheme but it did not work for me. I am now following Christophe's and John's (and yours! :) advice to find my own way. But some hints will be very welcome on that path! :)
Thanks for the time to read this! (it has gone into a very long story, sorry about that)
PS It was the same photo, just a different crop and added Topaz DeNoise to PP.
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07/10/2011 09:30:15 PM · #250 |
On your high key image doing really well here yet getting rejected at 1X, it can be difficult and frustrating trying to draw comparisons between successes and failures between the 2 sites.
Images that do well on DPC have to be on point to the challenge. A lot of the score comes from the voters perception of how well you met the challenge. You nailed it in high key. Plus, you have a compelling image, hence the high score in a themed challenge. Being able to do that in a limited time frame is the key to success here at DPC.
At 1x, the image has to stand on its own in the cold light of day. There's no theme, no time constraint, no editing rules, and no will of the voter. Just your image and the curators. It can seem brutal at times, especially since there's little to no feedback as to why something was rejected.
I've only had one image that ribboned here and was published at 1x, and the ribbon was in a free study that doesn't have all the elements of a typical challenge. So it kinda makes sense that it worked in both environments. My top 4 scores here we all entered at 1x and rejected. On the other hand, I've had sub 6 scores here get published at 1x. It's not only a different game, it's a different sport. That's one of the reasons I like participating in both sites.
As far as DPC goes, you're doing great. You've got 4 ribbons, all with stellar scores, all in less than a year.
You want frustrating? I think I had 4 scores of 7 or higher before I won my first ribbon with a 6.6.  Yanko and had a running contest on who would have the highest overall average with winning a ribbon. Point is, both sites can drive you crazy.
Anyway, I hope you stay on a 1x. Like here, lots of good folks in the forums and in critique.
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