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 This image was disqualified from the Feast challenge.
Here's to... Good food. Good friends. Good fun.
Here's to... Good food. Good friends. Good fun.
Lydia


Photograph Information Photographer's Comments
Challenge: Feast (Advanced Editing VII)
Collection: Portfolio
Camera: Canon EOS-40D
Lens: Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro
Date: Nov 28, 2008
Aperture: f/9
ISO: 500
Shutter: 1/15th
Galleries: Family, Food and Drink
Date Uploaded: Nov 28, 2008

 I forgot to shoot for the speed challenge until the "Feast" was over and all of the guests were long gone... so I put a photo I HAD taken (earlier that day, during the challenge period) up on my monitor, set a glass of wine in front of it... and then drank the wine while I processed the new photo.

I'm sorry if it shows. LOL!


Edit:
Wow! A ribbon! Never in my mind did I ever expect this from this shot. I think I spent ten minutes on it. I usually obsess for DAYS about every detail on my entries, and don't score as well as this.

I should learn something from this... But what?! *grin*

Thanks BUNCHES for the comments and votes. I'm thrilled!

And BTW... that's iced tea in the glasses on the table. I thought for sure someone would comment on that... that there was noone else with wine at the meal.



Regarding the DQ: The thread about it, and my response, are here:

DQ thread about this image

My response is on page four, I think, in bold type.

I always wonder how a DQ'd image had scored... this one got a Yellow Ribbon with a 6.4xx





Disqualification Details
You may include existing images or artwork as part of your composition as long as the entry does not appear to consist entirely of a pre-existing photograph in order to circumvent date or editing rules or fool the voters into thinking you actually captured the original photograph.

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Views during voting: 552
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 12/11/2008 03:49:49 AM
Lydia
i am so sorry that you got DQ'ed i have to agree with everyone you were hard done by
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/10/2008 01:33:35 AM
Sorry for the DQ Lydia, I used this method in one of my entries and it probably would have been DQed if I had been in the top 5. I guess this is a hard lesson for all of us. :-( Good luck with you next challenge!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/09/2008 10:10:25 PM
Originally posted by ShutterHack:
Sorry, I guess you have to be a member of site council not to be DQ! This is total BULL S*H*I*T


No, the SC have had some DQ's as well...

  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/09/2008 10:08:28 PM
Sorry, I guess you have to be a member of site council not to be DQ! This is total BULL S*H*I*T
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/09/2008 10:06:15 PM
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:




A photo and a tv set in just these two alone have been allowed to stand and stay and not be DQ'd!!!!

I'm SO sorry that this is happening to you! It's SO unfair!!!

I guess that I can expect a DQ notice on my current entry as well now as I have used the same concept.


Just want to say I am very sorry for the DQ. I hate them. Have had one in my time and they HURT! I just want to mention that my image (above) was not a champagne glass with a picture in the background; but of a live fireworks show happening on new year's eve on my TV. I know that might not be much consolation for Lydia, but the fact is it wasn't art or another photograph, it was LIVE action.

For what it's worth, I think yours is so line ball that it could have been given the benefit of the doubt in this situation, but that's the way it goes. I am sure the SC sweated it out.

Hope you do really, really, really well in the next few challenges Lydia!

Enzo

Message edited by author 2008-12-09 22:09:22.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/09/2008 02:37:54 PM
Lydia....I'd CONTEST this DQ!!!! Honestly!!! I know now that I am also going to be DQ'd in another current challenge as I had the same idea as you did.

HOWEVER....HERE ARE SOME LINKS to OTHER photos that have done the same thing and NOT been DQ'd!!!! (There are TONS of others in DPC who have done the same thing and NOT been DQ'd!!!) SC had better get their acts together!!!!





A photo and a tv set in just these two alone have been allowed to stand and stay and not be DQ'd!!!!

I'm SO sorry that this is happening to you! It's SO unfair!!!

I guess that I can expect a DQ notice on my current entry as well now as I have used the same concept.

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 12/09/2008 12:49:48 PM
Horrible, terrible, completely asinine decision to DQ this photo.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/09/2008 12:34:53 PM
Lydia, I'm really sorry this has happened to you ;-((
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/09/2008 11:54:56 AM
Ughhh that sucks. I just found out I'm sorry.
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 12/09/2008 11:45:18 AM
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
I forgot to shoot for the speed challenge until the "Feast" was over and all of the guests were long gone... so I put a photo I HAD taken (earlier that day, during the challenge period) up on my monitor, set a glass of wine in front of it... and then drank the wine while I processed the new photo.


I don't understand the ruling on the DQ. You took the background photo during the time of the challenge, it's not someone elses work, you were present there when that photo was taken, so to me you were not trying to fool me.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/09/2008 10:43:16 AM
I still like it; that it's a picture of a pictuere doesn't bother me in the slightest.......it's still a delightful and warm composition.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/09/2008 10:34:01 AM
Lydia,

I disagree with the SC decision. It's very unforunate!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/09/2008 10:31:38 AM
Lydia, I totally see what you were trying to accomplish in this photo and am sorry it got dq'ed. To me the focus is the toast and you are just using the other picture as a sort of backdrop, but apparently others see it differently. Don't let it get you down!!!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/09/2008 09:58:20 AM
Oh Lydia - I'm so sorry this happened. It is a shame that they chose your photo to use as an example of the kind of ruling they want to enforce this time :(
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/09/2008 09:31:31 AM
YOU'VE BEEN HOSED...either SC is going to allow these types of "existing" photos or NOT allow them. There have benn COUNTLESS other entries of this sort...a monitor with another "live" object in front.

The site either needs to allow this OR NOT ALLOW this type of picture.

This pic should be reinstated and the rules changed.

Message edited by author 2008-12-09 09:32:35.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/08/2008 10:15:46 AM
Lydia, YAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!! AWESOME!!!!!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/07/2008 07:06:03 PM
Whew, Eric!

I didn't see that you edited... I just copied from the email sent to me. *sorry*

I really DO like hearing comments like yours. They're much better, although harder to take *grin*, than the "I love it" ones. *smile*
 12/07/2008 07:02:42 PM
I didn't mean that you were decieving anyone..which is why I took out the part from the rules before you responded. I could tell that is probably what you would have thought.

I just giving my opinion. I really liked the idea...when I thought it was in the moment.

I still like it...just less. :)

I am not mad...just offering my opinion because I really learn alot when people give me their advice...I try to do the same.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/07/2008 06:41:27 PM
"'include existing images or artwork as part of your composition as long as the entry does not appear to consist entirely of a pre-existing photograph in order to circumvent date or editing rules or fool the voters into thinking you actually captured the original photograph.'

I don't want to be cruel or anything...but I probably wouldn't have voted this as high as I did...if I had known it was a photograph of a photograph. "

I really can appreciate where you're coming from here, Eric. And I also appreciate your honesty.

However, I took both images during the challenge period and the image does not consist entirely of a pre-existing photograph. In my opinion, the image is about a toast with a glass of wine which was not in the original image. Taking the photograph this way was certainly not to circumvent date or editing rules or to fool the voters into thinking I captured the original photograph, because I captured the original photograph within the 48-hour challenge period also.

I am sorry you voted on the image as you thought it was... but really, it did seem obvious to me that the DOF was 'off' on the merged photo... making it clear that 'something' was going on. The wine glass is sharp, the foreground folks are OOF and then the background folks are back in focus again.

Please don't judge me harshly... I truly did not mean to deceive the voters. Indeed, I don't think I did deceive them. But, I AM sorry you're disappointed about your vote.

THANKS for telling me. I do like to know things like this.

BTW, I thought your baby with the 'pinch-sized' sugar spoon was adorable!

Message edited by author 2008-12-07 18:41:58.
 12/07/2008 06:16:50 PM
I don't want to be cruel or anything...but I probably wouldn't have voted this as high as I did...if I had known it was a photograph of a photograph.

Message edited by author 2008-12-07 18:17:13.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/07/2008 10:27:31 AM
Wow, I didn't think that was legal for the challenge rules. It is a legitimate DOF trick that can be handy for a real life situation.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/07/2008 03:49:35 AM
Are you guys eating frogs and turtles?!

Congrats!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/07/2008 02:55:02 AM
Hey wait, this doesn't look like The Kegâ„¢!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 08:26:09 PM
Congratulations! I know exactly what you mean. It seems the less time, less effort the higher the score?? I've noticed the same thing. It seems that the more effort I spend on a challenge, the lower it pushes me. Too weird. Anyway, nice work on this one.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 07:40:28 PM
Are you trying to make me thirsty? Because if you are, then it worked! And if you arnt, well, then thanks. Now I am not only fat, but I have to go to rehab. I hate you....

Congratulations.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 05:29:41 PM
Well done! Excellent idea and execution...congrats on your ribbon!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 04:45:47 PM
congrats on the ribbon. Great idea for this challenge, nothing like a 48 hour challenge to put the pressure on and you seem to work well under pressure
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 01:44:03 PM
Wow! A ribbon! Never in my mind did I ever expect this from this shot. I think I spent ten minutes on it. I usually obsess for DAYS about every detail on my entries, and don't score as well as this.

I should learn something from this... But what?! *grin*

:) now isn't this the truth...well done :)

Message edited by author 2008-12-06 13:44:26.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 11:14:40 AM
Wow Lydia great job! I love how this tells a story. Congrats!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 10:49:31 AM
Very nice idea, very nicely executed :)
Really like that background shot. Nice and homey with smiles all around.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 10:39:57 AM
Congrats! I gave this a 9, I thought I had commented on this one.(?) I guess not, love the tones.
I did something similar for "where in the world is Art" to get his face on the ornament. Great job.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 08:37:54 AM
Very clever! Congrats on the ribbon.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 07:28:18 AM
Clever! I wouldn't have guessed (that you used a printed image) ... I love the sepia. Congrats on the ribbon!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 06:00:43 AM
this was another of my 8's nice POV
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 04:56:56 AM
Hey Lydia, great shot and big congrats on the ribbon.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 03:52:11 AM
Awesome idea, great result, and it worked.....
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 03:45:25 AM
Whoo hooo look at you taking home a ribbon. Congrats
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 03:35:52 AM
Very clever job! I did the same thing with a fireworks challenge once. Congrats, Enzo
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 01:05:56 AM
Oooooh, you're such a cheater! lol
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 12:17:21 AM
Very nice! This was one of my top picks for sure. Great job!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 12:03:52 AM
Grats Lydia, A fine shot indeed that really emphasizes the challenge's theme.

I take it back. Sorry Lydia.

Message edited by author 2008-12-09 10:12:01.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/06/2008 12:03:36 AM
Congrats on the yellow, Lydia!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 Comments Made During the Challenge
12/05/2008 04:55:17 PM
Nice!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/05/2008 06:42:30 AM
You have captured the spirit of the festive season very well. In my top three.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/04/2008 12:12:44 AM
I am not quite sure why, but I like this.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/04/2008 12:09:47 AM
My favorite of the challenge. Compositionally flawless.
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 12/03/2008 10:22:30 AM
The implications of the smiling faces that are blurred out in the background, really set this off for me. The crispness of the glass and the reflection just adds to the whole scene. well done
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/03/2008 08:56:51 AM
Nicely processed and photographed. 8
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/03/2008 08:51:22 AM
Nice. I would not have chosen a sepia treatment myself, but that is more of a preference thing than any flaw of your entry.
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 12/03/2008 08:02:27 AM
Awkward perspective with the wine glass and the background in combination-- it looks like you're holding up the wine glass.. which gives this too much of a posed feel for my taste. If you had left this on the table and incorporated the family OOF in the background, that would make this the best of the submissions.
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 12/02/2008 02:43:19 PM
It seems like the person holding the glass is excluded from the feast, which creates an uncomfortable feeling...
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/01/2008 11:07:56 PM
Nice
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 12/01/2008 07:34:54 PM
I like the picture and tone, but just wondering why no one is looking at the person giving the toast.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 12/01/2008 02:29:08 PM
Wonderful idea and execution - I'm just not 100% taken with the overall colour
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 12/01/2008 01:40:13 PM
Definitely like this a lot. Great toning and idea.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 11/30/2008 02:37:02 PM
Saskatowa Reisling... because a picture this artsy must mean the wine is great.

Awesome shot! Seems very "New York City" to me.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 11/30/2008 10:18:27 AM
Beautifully put together
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 11/29/2008 10:50:03 PM
Very creative, great capture, one of the better ones! Solid 10
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 11/29/2008 09:25:57 PM
I like your take on this idea...nice work
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 11/29/2008 06:59:39 PM
Love it!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 11/29/2008 06:43:50 PM
great idea, nicely done
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 11/29/2008 05:18:17 PM
good comp, love the concept and oof diners. I don't know if I like the sepia but it doesn't hurt the image. 8
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 11/29/2008 01:03:17 PM
I like the processing makes it look like a old photo
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 11/29/2008 11:01:01 AM
VERY nice use of DOF & desaturation. 8
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 11/29/2008 09:36:11 AM
I think this would have been much better if the people would have been looking at you instead of eating. I know it's hard to control everyone, but I just think it would have added to the picture.
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 11/29/2008 08:17:50 AM
I really love this. Nicely done!!!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 11/29/2008 03:40:02 AM
Very nice, right down to the smiles in the BG.
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 11/29/2008 02:19:18 AM
You were clearly going for the "alchohol commercial shot". You did pull it off. 7
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 11/29/2008 01:46:26 AM
excellent image!
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 11/29/2008 12:20:30 AM
very intersting! like your perspective
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